Harder To Kill Radio 251 How To Use Breathwork To Overcome Just About Anything w/ Josh Trent

How To Use Breathwork To Overcome Just About Anything w/ Josh Trent – Harder to Kill Radio 251

Despite what you may have been told, intelligence does not come from how much you know or how many books you have read. True emotional intelligence is something that comes from a willingness to learn and the desire to look within ourselves, which is something Josh Trent is incredibly passionate about.

Harder To Kill Radio 251 How To Use Breathwork To Overcome Just About Anything w/ Josh Trent

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The Power Of Six Deep Breaths

The host of Wellness Force Radio and dear friend, Josh has undergone a transformation since we last had him on the show and is diving into the courage it takes to rebrand and the incredible healing power of breathwork on this episode. Josh has realized that you can’t force wellness and has become an advocate for the energetic and spiritual components of intelligence to find true happiness and inner healing.

Breathwork is free and can take as little as 30 seconds to alter your mindset and help you find an answer to feeling better. Whether you attach to the spirituality side of things or just get the benefits of stress reduction, Josh believes that breathwork is the key to providing a safe space for your nervous system to begin to heal.

Instead of living someone else’s dream, Josh is here to inspire you to look within yourself through the three concepts of breathwork to live a sustainable life and find the answers and peace you have been searching for.

Being honest with yourself and the people that you care about is what Josh is all about, and he is here to give you a glimmer of hope as you wade through the muck.

How does breathwork play into your ability to handle stress and develop your own emotional intelligence? Share your strategies with us in the comments below.

On Today’s Episode

  • The power of taking six deep breaths to cope with uncertainty (22:20)
  • The difference between the emotional contagion and collective consciousness (30:15)
  • How to get your body out of panic state and into a calm state through breathwork (39:05)
  • Embracing your ability to break the karmic chain and give unconditional love (45:03)
  • Progressive and tactical things you can do to use breath to relieve stress (47:10)

Resources Mentioned In This Show

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Quotes

“Technology isn’t going to save us, it is not going to save the world. We can use it mindfully, we can help each other by using technology, but it became this gut-check moment where I was like, God I cannot speak about something that doesn’t feel true anymore.” (13:34)

“If we are approaching a new threshold in career growth or a relationship and there is uncertainty there, it’s our ability to go through the uncertainty without doing the coping strategy that we know somewhere deep down in our heart isn’t good for us.” (22:01)

“When we go to altered states, things come up that we are not aware of. I had always been aware of the safety piece of my life, but that was a turning point.” (35:49)

“Really what it is is training your nervous system to be safe and to manage stress better through you cycling your own breathing.” (38:27)

“Whatever we believe, we get to check in on how it makes us feel. And if this is all just a big video game, then let’s just believe things that make us feel good.” (56:08)

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How To Use Breathwork To Overcome Just About Anything w/ Josh Trent FULL TRANSCRIPT

Steph:
This is harder to kill radio episode 251 today I’m sitting down with wellness force radio podcasts and a good friend of mine, Josh Trent, for a candid conversation about increasing your emotional intelligence and the power of a breathwork practice. Okay, let’s go.

Steph:
I’m Steph Gaudreau. I help women get stronger, know their worth and take up space without restrictive dieting or exercise as punishment. I’m here to share that you can approach nutrition, fitness, and mindset from a place of nourishment so you begin to trust yourself more deeply. Let’s talk about how to embrace your body and own your power. Now with over two and a half million downloads, this is harder to kill radio.

Steph:
Thank you so very much for joining me on this episode of harder to kill radio. It is Tuesday, it’s time for an expert guest interview and today I’m welcoming back to the show. My really good friend Josh Trent of wellness force radio. He’s a fellow podcaster and he’s also a personal friend of mine. So when you hear us talking, I really hope you’re hearing that rapport that both of us have coming through. We’ve talked on each other’s podcasts before and Josh is back today. He’s at a much different place in his life and his business. Then when he visited harder to kill radio way back in the beginning almost four years ago. Today we’re really talking about, and quite candidly I should say Josh is sticking points over the years. Why he is really interested in emotional intelligence and helping his audience build their emotional intelligence and also the power of breathwork and how Josh has come to breathwork and how he is now passing on what he knows about breathwork to his community.

Steph:
I love this show. I love this man. He is such a dear heart and he really showed up to have an open and honest conversation and I hope you’re going to hear that coming through. Okay, a couple of things. First, if you haven’t heard the last few episodes, you may have missed that. Now you can leave me a voicemail and ask me a question that I will then answer on our Friday show companion show, fierce love Friday. To do that, head over to Steph gaudreau.com/message there. You’re going to land on my SpeakPipe page and you can just press the button and speak. Leave me a question, obviously it would be great if it has something to do with the topics of this show, the topics I cover on fierce love Friday and I will take a snippet of that and then I will insert it into Friday’s show and I’ll answer your question.

Steph:
It’s as close to you asking me the question live as you can possibly get. So again, to do that, you’re going to go to Steph gaudreau.com/message second thing, this show is debuting on October 29th and for a limited time, literally two more days until the end of this month in October of 2019 you can get my newest book, the core four for half price. I’m doing this as a way to say thank you and a way to give back. It’s been my eight-year anniversary of blogging and writing and cultivating this space online and I’m so grateful I do something every year to celebrate and this year I decided to hook you up with my book for half price. The way to do that is to grab my made strong program. This is three times a week, 30 minutes or less. Simple strength program. You can do it from pretty much anywhere.

Steph:
I always do it on my front porch. If you follow me on Instagram, which I hope you are, you’ll see in my stories quite often I’m working out on my porch with all the neighborhood walking by and I don’t care, but I do made strong and the reason is it’s quick, it’s easy, you need some very basic equipment. You can do it at home or in a basic gym and I just love this program. So when you get the made strong program, I’m going to send you a signed copy. I’m going to personally sign it of the core four for half price. You can find links to that in the show notes for this episode or just head over to my website, Steph gaudreau.com and before we jump into today’s content. Today’s show is brought to you by the nutritional therapy association, the NTA trains and certifies nutritional therapy practitioners like myself.

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Steph:
You can learn more and save your seat by going to nutritional therapy.com and of course, remember to mention my name on your application. Hello there. Welcome back to harder to kill radio. I am stoked to have my good friend Josh Trent on the show today. He has been, I’m talking about him in the third person. Of course, he’s on the line, but Josh has been on the show before. I’ve been on his show, a wellness force radio a couple of times last time I think we talked for two hours in my living room and it was awesome and I really just have so much appreciation and truly love for this guy, like a brother for all the things that he’s doing in the world. And leading his community was such a vulnerability and authenticity. And I know those words get tossed around a lot in the online space these days. It’s almost like, you know, people are looking for ways to generate authenticity. Um, but when somebody, you know, just lives their life from that place, uh, it, it shines through. And so I’m really excited to welcome him back to the podcast today. So, Hey, Josh, what’s going on?

Josh:
Steph. You make me blush. Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Steph:
Yeah, I’m, I’m so pleased that you’re here and it’s been a while since you’ve been on the show and gosh, a lot has changed in your life. Um, and your w your podcast is completely taken off. I mean, the wellness force was like, it was a thing when I first interviewed you back whenever I interviewed, I should’ve done my research and looked up the number. Um, but it just, yeah. You know, so I was having this conversation with somebody the other day about perception versus reality, but it seems to me as somebody who’s an outside observer that your show is really, you’ve really found your stride

Josh:
with it.

Steph:
Um, would you say that’s fair to say?

Josh:
Yeah, I think the stride came from getting knocked to the ground, like asked to the ground multiple times and then that’s how we find our stride right, is by getting beat down to the knees. And you know what came up for me in the first two years, it was like, how do I actually do this? How do I actually create this and how do I do it from a place where I’m not just white knuckling the whole thing and try to, it’s so funny, the name of the show is wellness for us. And I was like, you can’t force wellness for us. Like you can’t force it. Because I did have a come to Jesus moment at probably like the year 2.5 where I was like, you know, something doesn’t feel right here. And I was scared to change the direction of the show. Cause you know, my background was um, health and fitness.

Josh:
I was tenured, the trainer and the first couple of years of the show was about behavior change. It was about how do we leverage wellness technology to help people. And honestly stuff. The more I spoke at CES and the more that I went down this road of using technology to help people, the more that I’ve found that people already have what they need. And then all of these technology pieces, they became somewhat of a distraction, you know, like Gretchen Rubin calls it the obliger mentality, which, which I recognize as, and for us that do really well with external framework for accountability. Too much external framework for accountability takes away someone’s power to do it themselves. So I think there’s a healthy balance that I’ve found by just going within and saying, ah, I’m gonna change the direction of the show. And that’s when it really up was when I had the courage to say I’m completely gonna rebrand, which is a story in itself.

Steph:
Yeah. Okay. So a couple of things I hear in there and uh, if you’re game to talk about them, I love to hear, you know, you walk through it, but I know you’ve been really open in the past about your, just your struggles, um, with self-image, your struggles with self-esteem and, and how that all played out. And you talked about that on the show, which I looked it up right now when you were talking it was December 1st, 2015 so it’s been almost a while. Yeah. Been awhile. Right. But you’ve talked about before how you were really struggling, um, to find your place and, you know, like couch surfing and were you sleeping in your car at one point?

Josh:
Yeah. You know, I just got reminded of this by Facebook, you know, and has the memory pop popups, and it was almost five years ago that I, in the course of six months, we put my mom in a mental institution. I got let go of a job that wasn’t serving me, which was beautiful. I got this beautiful gift of being fired and I ended a three-year relationship. All I like six months. So I was sleeping on a couch and that photo came up when I took a picture of all my belongings in front of my car and I was like, Oh my God, this is, I’m in such a different place now. But, uh, it came from literally sleeping on a couch and interviewing somebody on a rickety plastic laptop holder with a little tiny podcast, Mike my first 20 episodes. So it was like a super humble beginning that is for sure.

Steph:
[inaudible] so you, you had that sort of really, uh, what I would maybe describe as like, uh, a low point. Is that, would you say that’s safe to say it was kind of a low point for you?

Josh:
Yeah, it was a low point, but there was also something in me that I just could sense that was pulling me like I was being pulled to do it instead of, um, that feeling that we all have when we don’t want to do something and we’re like, ah, I’ve got to push myself to do this thing. Even though I was in a super low spot and I was, I mean to be honest, like I was definitely depressed. Like when I started this show I was D I was dealing with depression for sure because it just seemed like God literally like I, I didn’t have a relationship with God or spirit then like I do now. But the question that came up from me is like, why the hell is this so hard? Like what, why is this suppose, is this supposed to be this way?

Josh:
I almost felt like I was being tested by something, but even with all the tests, there is still something in me that said, my heart’s telling me to go that way anyways because if I don’t speak my truth and if I don’t do this thing, I’d rather die. Cause I felt the other half of it, you know, being in corporate America and, and being kind of someone else’s, uh, living someone else’s dream, helping to fuel someone else’s dream instead of my own. And so that was the big turning point where it’s like, yeah, even my external reality, like sleeping on a friend’s couch being broke, being depressed, like nothing made sense at all, but there was this little something inside of me that I couldn’t ignore and that, that is what drove me forward. That’s what pulled me.

Steph:
Mm. Yeah. I love, there is definitely a, energy, there’s a difference in energy. Right. And I, I totally know what you mean between sort of like being like attracted to something like you’re being pulled toward it. Um, rather than being shoved, uh, and kind of going unwillingly. So you had this, this tie, this really low point, and then the thing you started building your podcast and, and we’re, you know, you just started with what you had, which I love and thanks for mentioning that. You know, I think everybody’s like, Oh, but I don’t have all the care and I don’t have this. And we’re like, just, just record however you can. And, and you, so you built wellness force for a couple of years and then you said you had sort of another really low point and I’m, I’m wondering if you can walk us through that, like how did it feel to sort of be in that spot again? Did you, did you still have that feeling of, okay, there’s something, you know, this is a test, this is, there’s something that’s, we’ll still learn from this. There’s an opportunity in all of this bullshit that I’m going through. You know, what, what was it like to, to kind of be staring that down for a second time and going like, all right,

Josh:
I do, I do with this. Yeah. You know what, this, that’s such a good question. It reminds me of the hero’s journey with Joseph Campbell. You know, we all go through it. Every man and woman goes through the hero’s journey like multiple times in our lives. So separation, initiation, and return. Um, the initiation comes to a lot and that initiation for me as I don’t like wellness. I don’t like technology anymore. Like there was, there was a piece of me where I had, I had done actually a plant medicine ceremony, um, in 2014 and once a year since then. And it came up for me in the plant medicine ceremony that like, you know what, technology isn’t going to save us. It’s not going to save the world. We can use it mindfully. Like we can help each other by using technology. But it became this gut-check moment where I was like, God, I just, I cannot speak about something that doesn’t feel true anymore.

Josh:
And I got a, um, I got a referral to this business coach and his name was Rocco. He lives in Las Vegas. He’s like the guy behind the guy in the fitness industry. And I think I paid a couple grand that I went out there on a weekend to Vegas and I was sitting in his kitchen and I was like, I don’t want to do this anymore. I have to change, but I don’t exactly know where I’m going to go. And he looked at me and he’s like, I’ll never forget these eggs in his kitchen. He goes, what are you most afraid of talking about? Okay. And I said, Oh, I’m most afraid of talking about the fact that I’m hosting this wellness podcast, but my body’s not perfect. You know, like, like I don’t have everything that I need as far as like a very limiting belief about my physical appearance.

Josh:
And he’s like, we’ll then start talking about that because the, the things that you’re afraid of are the things that make you the most uncomfortable. Like that’s where all the gold is. And he’s like, what are you actually doing with your shelf? You had to explain what you’re doing with your show. What are you doing? I’m like, well, I’m just figuring this thing out. I’m like, learning how to, how to live my life well. And he said, okay, well how do you do that? Well, I’m studying, I’m, I’m researching, I’m trying things on, I’m going to courses. I’m just gathering, right? And he goes, Oh, you’re getting intelligent. You’re discovering intelligence. What kind of intelligence are you discovering? And then I was thinking, Oh well how the body works and why our minds work a certain way, what we do in our lives that affect other people that we love.

Josh:
And he’s like, you’re discovering physical and emotional intelligence. And when he said that, my whole body just was like, you know, you get those chills, like full body chills in that moment. That was going to be everything that I’d created that was going to be my entire life’s work. My whole brand was going to change. And that wellness force was going to be about all of us together discovering physical, emotional intelligence so we can live our life. Well, that’s why we’re all here. I mean even harder to kill and your audience, like we’re all learning, we’re all gathering, we’re all applying. And then we’re embodying, which is really what I found that true intelligence is, I used to think the intelligence was how smart someone was. Uh, Nope. Elegance has nothing to do with that, with what, you know, intelligence has everything to do with how you do those three things that I mentioned.

Josh:
And that was the gut check moment where I came back and actually did a show and I was like, you guys, things are gonna change. We’re not going to have like just strictly diet and exercise podcast. We’re going to start talking about the energetic component of why we do what we do, the spiritual component. And then everything changed when I went to Rhythmia in 2018, like that just cracked in the mold and then it was a brand new hero’s journey. I’ll talk about the, we’ll definitely talk about that in a bit, but there’s so much in what you just said. Do you think if you could cast your mind back, I mean, they’re right, Steve Jobs, famous quote. You can only connect the dots looking backward. Uh, do you feel like if you kind of cast your mind back to, you know, be a kid and growing up and you know, getting into training and that being your first kind of real job and starting wellness force and going through that, that phase of where it was really about, um, the technology, do you still see that for you, there was that thread of either curiosity or just sort of being drawn to this idea of a physical or emotional intelligence or you know, um, that sort of like people talk about the a and stuff like that.

Josh:
I mean, can you see that in yourself or do you think that that’s something that you’ve more developed over time? No, I, uh, gosh, uh, one thing about me that most people know that Nomi close is that I have, uh, child energy inside of me. And I used to really, I didn’t know what it was and I used to kind of hide it, but now I’m just like, look, you either love me or you don’t because I have this childlike essence to me. And like, you know, not everybody resonates with that. Cause they’re there. I have an outward appearance where people if they saw me or if they maybe talking to me for a minute, they might not get that essence. But people that know me for a longer time, like they really start to understand that at the bottom of, of childlike anything is childlike curiosity.

Josh:
And it’s this understanding that we don’t know what’s coming next. We don’t know exactly why we’re here beyond just the reality that we create. And so I think when you look at children like they come here to teach us things. They come here to show us what life’s really about because God stuff we get so up in our head and I’ll raise my hand and be like, yeah, I get wrapped in my head all the time. You know, and the big piece about this, which stems to your question is there’s a part of me that will always be connected to that childlike essence. Um, which is why I see myself having children one day so that I can connect with that in them. And I think really for all of us, when we stop stoking that fire of curiosity, when we’re just like, Oh, life is drudgery, I have to do this thing, I, it becomes, we really start killing the child inside. We start dampening the child’s voice. And that parallels to a lot of different aspects of emotional intelligence. So long answer to your question, but at the core of it all is like, yeah, of course. Of course. What you said is true.

Steph:
[inaudible] well, we like long answers on this show. It’s totally good. Totally permissible. Yeah. Okay. So going back to talking about, um, wellness force and wanting to, you know, having this revelation that you like something wasn’t right, it didn’t feel right. And you then realized you had this moment with Rocco, um, that you like, I had the thing that it was, how did you, how did you personally, this is a really self-serving question. How did you personally deal with the limbo in between, um, or was there a kind of limbo in between where you, you, you knew you could feel that something wasn’t aligned, it wasn’t really where you wanted to go with the show and your work and that, that point. And then between that point and when you had this, um, you know, revelation eating eggs in a kitchen in Las Vegas, how did you personally cope with that? Not knowing or that just that sense that something wasn’t right but you weren’t, you didn’t know what it was. Um, talk me through that.

Josh:
Yeah. The coping strategies for all human beings are real and depending on whatever we were imprinted with from ages zero through seven, those coping mechanisms are either very strong or people are able to manage them and not have them become addictions. So there, there was a part of my child’s psyche that was really having a hard time not knowing, you know, this space that everybody talks about, like, um, in the not knowing, you know, in a space of not being sure of what’s coming next or just uncertainty. And so when I was in that uncertainty, the only thing that I had was my connection to other people. And that group of friends that I had, they were other entrepreneurs. I mean, even just knowing you, you know, just having a community of people that I could just bounce ideas off of and just be like, Hey, I’m totally gonna fucking change everything I’ve talked about and I’m gonna reframes everything that I’ve ever thought was real. Can you help me? Okay, can I have your support? Like can you, can you be a sounding board for me so that I don’t feel like I’m alone?

Steph:
So the reason why I thought the reason why I sort of asked like, how do you deal with the sort of deal with uncertainty and a is because I’m sort of on that trajectory as well, like super uncertain as to where things are going with my own business and just feeling really like, eh, you know, a bit freaked out. But uh, yeah. But also knowing that it doesn’t come from, the answers don’t necessarily come from forcing stuff. Right? As you said, it’s, it’s about the sort of surrender, the acceptance, sending those things that are the biggest frustrations and, and pains in her life, that love and that like, you know, you’re like sending it compassion and welcoming it to be there. So, I don’t know, I really just appreciate you indulging me in, in that line of questioning.

Josh:
Isn’t it such a different reframe? Because if you look at most people’s coping strategies, the, what’s the real definition of addiction, right? It’s something that someone wants to stop doing, but for some reason, they’re getting something from it that’s stopping them from letting it go. And it goes, we go real deep into this. So for all of us, if, if we’re approaching a new threshold in like a career growth or relationship and there’s uncertainty there, it’s our ability to go through the uncertainty without doing the coping strategy that we know somewhere deep down our heart isn’t good for us. And that could be food, it could be shopping, it could be overworking, it could be scrolling on social media. Like we live in a world of, of mass distraction. You know, it’s built that way. So I think when you’re talking about approaching this, this reframe for your business and you know there’s going to be shit that comes up that’s really uncomfortable.

Josh:
You know, sometimes I even go on a podcast and I’ll be like, wow, I’m kind of nervous right now. Let me just do some breathing. So in the past, in the past year plus the breathing, just taking six deep breaths, that is the that’s the most powerful coping strategy. And it’s so healthy for us. It allows us to be, well, we have wellbeing when we’re going deeper with our breath. And I think that that is something where if I had that in those three years of like the rebranding, and if I knew about it back then, I really think it could have helped me more. And this is why I think breathwork can be so powerful for all of us because, gosh, I felt, I felt life without it. And now I felt life with it. And I see a deep contrast. There’s a, there’s a massive gap between knowing and doing when it comes to people and breathwork.

Steph:
Yes, absolutely. And I want to talk about that soon. I have a couple of other questions, maybe one but, um, when you, so when you did you, and you know, you did make your shift in wellness force, in terms of the focus, I guess the mission, the things that you really wanted to do. What was well, what was the general reaction that you received? Um, and the reason I ask this is that I know that our listener, all the other people listening to this show probably can paint a parallel in their lives with something that they want to change. But they are like, okay, now I know what it is, but now I need to deal with the sort of the fears about what’s going to happen and, and all that stuff. And then what are people going to say? And so, you know, what was the response to, to that shift when you, you told people like, Hey, things are going to change around here.

Josh:
Well, I’ll tell you what, I lost 10,000 downloads per month. So that happened. And then I realized, well I don’t, I don’t want to cater to people because I think I have to like I’d rather just explore the things that I truly believe are going to help humanity and to help many women live their life well. And so all of us have to be willing to get cut and have people say, I don’t like you anymore. And that’s okay because that’s part of the growth process. Like, shoot man, if I, if I tried to please everyone and put out content that’s going to serve everyone, no one would ever know what I stood for. They would just be like, Oh, this is like a general wellness show. But nobody, nobody’s going to care about general things. People want to know that deep down they want to go like a foot wide, mile deep.

Josh:
They want to really get down to what’s going to help them in their lives. And so that was the first piece stuff was just realizing like, okay, this is going to hurt for a moment. You know, people are going to leave. There’s, there were some comments like, um, Oh, you’re getting really spiritual now, or why are you talking about your feelings so much? And just a general sense on social media and like less interaction on email lists and just there was like maybe a three to even six month period where people just adjusted, you know? And then I would start to bring in new people, the people that are my people. Anyways, all that wanted to talk about why it is that we do what we do and how the parts of our lives that we haven’t looked at from childhood and from adolescents run our fricking world, run our lives. So when we’re not looking at that, no one can live their life well, no matter how much strategy or guide or PDF or checklist or you know, kind of logical mind thing. You can have all the logical mind things in the world and all the books, but if on an energetic level there’s something off, nothing will ever align for change. You know, behavior changes and about just what we do. It’s about why we do it.

Steph:
Yes, exactly. It’s, it’s sort of about right, the feeling tapping into our feelings, our emotions. Um, okay. That’s great. That’s really helpful. And I think it’s a great reminder over and over again from as many people as are willing to share that you know, that you have to sort of endure the [inaudible] you will endure the dropoff or the change. Do you think you would had the same criticism about becoming more emotionally I’m expressive or just exploring those topics or become more spiritual if you’re a woman?

Josh:
Wow, that’s a really interesting question. Maybe not. I mean there is a stigma because when I grew up in East kindly Mesa, so it’s like flat-billed hats, pickup trucks, geriatric ward and people that you know, chew tobacco and I got love for everybody there. But there’s a certain way of thinking there that I am still in the process of letting of that is like men that talk about their feelings or men that explore concepts that are more spiritual or more esoteric. They’re pussies, you know, they don’t, they don’t really have a true masculine edge. But what I would challenge anyone with that line of thinking to really feel into is if you can’t explore the caves that you’re really afraid of, if you can’t explore the shit that really bothers you, well then you’re just operating from the two paradigms that most men operate from.

Josh:
And that is um, anger or some type of power control. That’s the narrative where most men, especially like my, I guess you could say generation, um, we’re taught that you can do two things. Like you can be frustrated or you can be aggressive, you can be those two things. But if you start going into feeling your emotions and you know, and processing and there’s, there’s a stigma around that. But that’s changed so much in the past five years, especially taking 10 years that I think this is consciousness experiencing itself. I think this is men and women understanding how to really connect with one another instead of the old paradigm, which was we’re going to do everything. This is the way it’s always been done in women who have this role. Men have this role, which is all fucking bullshit. It’s all bullshit. And people are kind of waking up to the truth now.

Steph:
[inaudible] yeah, that question just popped up in my mind cause I know, you know we’ve talked about

Josh:
topics like that before. Like you know, um,

Steph:
just do the differences, the differences between men and women and insert the expectations that are put on us. But yeah, it does make me wonder, you know, if you were a woman who shifted to SaaS, you got that stuff more,

Josh:
you have received that criticism. I think I would say I would say no. I would say if I was a woman and I shifted to more esoteric concepts or more spiritual or emotion-based concepts that it probably wouldn’t have been as challenging. But you know what, now, now we’re seeing people, men that are in very high levels of media go to these concepts now. So I don’t think like if I were to do it now, like let’s say for the past five years I just focused on diet and exercise and like general wellness and I made this shift now I think it would be easier. I think it would be easier as things are, things are approaching like a collective consciousness, uh, faster than they ever were. I feel like it’s exponential. You know, as we look back at 2015, 2014 and we think about how life was for all of us back then, things have changed so rapidly that we would never be able to predict it. And so I can even think about, well what about 20, 25? Like how, how is the conversation in the media going to be in 2025? It’s going to be just as exponential if not more.

Steph:
By the way, I have till 1230 not, not til 15. This is like we don’t edit anything out. Um, just so you didn’t feel like, okay, we’re, we’re getting to the end here. So with a w okay. Along that line,, this is curious to me and I’m sure that there are people listening to this show who are, who’ve heard of something like a collective consciousness. Yeah. They have no idea. Like what,

Josh:
what do you mean when you say that? Because I think that may help frame the rest of the discussion. Yeah. So whether we want to admit it with our logical mind or not, the collective consciousness is like a glue that holds society together. And if you look at the work of Carl Young, he has a really, really powerful quote that anybody can understand and tell you. Make the unconscious conscious. It will rule your life and you’ll call it fate. But think about the concept from uh, Gretchen Rubin, who I know you’ve had on your show. And she talks about this, this phase of psychology called emotional contagion. Emotional contagion is when you’re in a group and people in that group start to get restless or happy. You know, all the ranges of emotions. The more we spend time in a group, the more we adopt the ways that that group feels and thinks.

Josh:
So emotional contagion is real. But our logical mind can understand that. Collective conscious though is different. Collective conscious is like any, any eternal hard-drive that has everything stored that’s ever happened in the entire human evolution or just even spiritual evolution itself. So collective unconsciousness is what we feel when all of us are saddened by a school shooting. It’s also what we feel when there’s 10 million likes on a puppy eating ice cream on Facebook. It’s the same thing. You know, there’s the dark and the lights, it’s all down there. And you know, Joe Dispenza talks about this too, where we’re, we’re all consistently pulling from the collective consciousness, but it’s really the subconsciousness, right? So conscious thinking, conscious doing is like, Oh yeah, I go to work at five and I eat this kind of lunches, all conscious things. But below that is the actual fuel that’s filling the conscious engine itself.

Josh:
So I have a collective unconscious and a collective consciousness there. They’re two separate things, but they’re all a collective thought process, a collective way of feeling and being in doing. And we all know how it feels when we hang out with family members that make us uncomfortable. Or we go into a social situation where right when we walk in the room, it’s like, ah, something’s off here. I can, I can feel in this room that I’m uncomfortable in my body or this person’s making me feel uncomfortable. You can’t explain that purely with science. And so this collective consciousness and, and unconscious, um, these are the things that people are sensing more and feeling into more. And this is why I think you and I both agree that we’re HSPs right? That was on a book on your counter in your house, but I saw you there. So yeah, so being an HSP, and I’m sure people listening to us right now can kind of nod their head and go, Oh yeah, I do feel certain things that I always can explain by science. That’s the best way to describe, um, the collective, the collective energy field. I love that.

Steph:
Yeah. If you’ve ever gone into a waiting room where someone, you know, there’s like somebody gets ticked off and an inpatient and then by the time you realize that you’re feeling that way, right? Right. Like it’s, it’s that same thing, that emotional contagion. And for anybody who doesn’t know what HSP is, it’s highly sensitive, sensitive people. Oh man. All the sensitivity over here. I know

Josh:
it’s cool stuff is the more the, so we’re sensitive, right. And that means we can go down to the places where a lot of people don’t want to go. But then after we go there, then we get really big capacity for joy and expression that people that always hang out in the middle, they never get that. They never get the big up because of they just kind of operate in the middle for the majority of the time.

Steph:
Well, that’s why I like it. I’m proud. Okay. Yeah, I am too. It’s been an interesting process to learn that about myself and go, Oh well this is, this explains a lot about your childhood, you know, and all that. All the tough times. So anyway, um, I love that and I think it’s going to help frame the rest of the discussion like I said. So I really would love to have you talk about when you went to Thailand. Yeah. Like what, what happened in Thailand because I was like, Josh is in Thailand now. All right. Is he ever coming back? Um, and it seems like it was really impactful for you. So I’m wondering if you can

Josh:
take us through that. Well, first I love adventure. As I love, I love places where I can learn about myself from an end. So what drew me out there was I was maybe in the middle of last year, I was really digging into breathwork because I had gone to Rhythmia previously and I had done, um, for really deep transformational breath sessions and I had so much come up there and I felt so energetically shifted that I thought, Oh I’m, I’m really going to start looking more into this breathwork. And uh, a friend of mine through mutual contacts had a company called Soma. And so I was really, really fascinated by this because it was from the pranayama breath and it was from doing breath retention. Breath retention is where we can actually train our nervous system to be more parasympathetic. Cause when we do the breathing and then the holding, the holding is really where all the training is.

Josh:
And so I did an online program and then I went out there because I was just so inspired by the adventure. I’d never been to Thailand. I wanted to go check out how these people eat, what it would be like to be in a tropical land and I get out there and it was nothing like I thought it would be. It was actually challenging. Like the first two weeks I was just like, man, did I really commit to being here for a month? But then they’re out. The two weeks mark I had done this breath workshop and in the breath workshop the instructor was telling us, go to a place when you’re a little kid and ask yourself like, what made you the most happy when you were the youngest when you were five years old, picture yourself on a park bench and your, your legs are hitting the bench and you’re just hanging out at the bench.

Josh:
And what made you the happiest? And for me, what made me most happy was being in a place where I felt safe and when I felt safe I could make any environment that I felt that I was, that I was sitting in or that I was being in any environment can be fun, but I had to feel safe first. And so I had all these things come up from like what wasn’t safe when I was a kid and everything else. And it was the beginning of this reparenting process within myself. Hmm. And this reparenting process came from being in that altered state, having the hypoxia, doing the retention holds things bubble up. When when we go to altered States, things come up that we’re not aware of. And so I had always been aware of the safety piece of my life, but that was a turning point like in Thailand at the, at the hotel where we were doing the week-long piece when this instructor said that, and then we did our meditation afterward I was like, Oh, this is what it’s all about.

Josh:
I’ve been trying to feel safe externally. Like, if I designed my environment to feel safe, then I could feel safe when really the deep down work was for me just to feel safe within myself. That’s, that’s the real work. And that was what came through with this, with this breath. And I was so inspired by it, um, that I wanted to help share it. So we did a breath workshop in March when Soma came to San Diego and I helped put that on. And now I’ve just been formulating this brief course for wellness for us because it’s the most powerful autonomic force we can ever adjust for our nervous system. It’s the only lever, right? It’s the only thing we can do. Um, we can’t digest our own food. We can’t pump our own heart, but we can adjust our breath. And so this has been really powerful.

Steph:
Hmm. I remember when, when you went and then when you came back, it did, it just seemed like there, there was such a shift, um, in you and the things that you were talking about and sharing of yourself and, and putting out there. So I had a feeling it was really powerful. And then when you did the, you guys had the workshop here in town and couldn’t make it. And by random chance, a friend of mine, Michael Roseline posted about doing this breathwork, a workshop that he was going to and he put it on his Facebook and I was like, you know what, I’ll do that. And it turned out it was Soma. So that was my, yeah. Right. So that was my, uh, my experience with that. And I, I’ve only done two breathwork sessions with Steven Whitney through so much and now there’s, you know, a place in Encinitas, which makes me sad cause it’s so far from, from here, it’s like a Stone’s throw away, but yet it seems so far. But anyway, it was really powerful and I just thought, Oh, I want more of this. Um, for people who are unfamiliar with, yeah. I think you described a little bit, of what breathwork is, but if they’re unfamiliar, how is this different from just breathing?

Josh:
Okay. So most, most people do. So let’s start at a high level. Like what breadth would I believe breathwork really is? It’s a way to use three concepts. Super oxygenation, which is like quick inhales and exhales, hypoxia, hypoxia, which is like oxygen that is leaving our system. So it’s the, it’s the presence of our heart beating and our body being without too much oxygen. And then the retention hold, which is an energy lock. So those are the three concepts that breathwork entails. But really what it is is it’s training your nervous system to be safe and to manage stress better through you cycling your own breathing. That’s essentially what it is. And most are being breathed by their body, by their monkey mind, by even holding their breath all throughout their lives because they’re a slave to their environment. In other words, what’s the first thing that happens when we get into argument or stressed?

Josh:
We take a big breath or we just don’t breathe at all. Like, well, you know, we get scared and traffic and it’s like [inaudible]. It’s the first thing that leaves. So the whole purpose of breathwork is to train your nervous system and your synopsis so much that it becomes a strategy. It becomes not just a coping strategy but a, a trustable strategy to get you out of panic state and to get you into a calm state. Because in calm state I can have a better conversation with my girlfriend. I can have a better workflow in my day. I can let go of something that’s stressing me out and I can just enjoy my life, you know, so it’s a true strategy for getting out of that panic and into the calm and um, all of us. The cool thing about and stuff is that we can all do it, you know, and whether you’re spiritual or not, whether you’re analytical or whether you’re a mom or whether you’re a professor, like anybody can do it and you can attach to the spirituality component or you can just get the benefits of stress reduction. [inaudible]

Josh:
um, thanks for that cause I think that will help people to get a gist of what it’s like. Um, there are probably people who have heard of breathwork and may have some negative associations with it because there are some types of breathwork which can be really, yeah, and I don’t know the exact term and I’ve never done something like hold a trope bag breathing. But from what I’ve heard from several different people, they’re like, well, like Breathworks cool. But like holotropic breathwork is like another level and not for everyone. Uh, can you speak to any of that of like, you know, I know, uh, the course that you’re putting together? I mean, how is that different from maybe some of these other more intense kinds of breathwork? Yeah, the way that we designed breathe was that if this is going to be for anyone who deals with stress, so it’s for all of us, for any human being that doesn’t want to have a certain way of speaking, that this isn’t designed towards the spiritual community.

Josh:
You and I live in San Diego, a lot of people in Southern California have a certain way of talking that that turns people off that really need the help, you know? And I know we can all relate to that. Where there’s somebody we meet and they’re wearing a big crystal and they have a white flowing Cape and they’re talking about their aura. It’s like, yes, we can get there, but let’s meet people where they are. And so I think what’s different about breath is that I designed it off of something that I think you believe in with the core four. It’s understanding what are the pillars of our lives that really moved the needle for us all human beings, all men and women. And so we incorporated that into the breathwork. Breathwork is powerful in itself, but when we’re taking care of our physical body, our spiritual health, our mental health, all those things together, that’s when breathwork can really move the needle because then we’re moving from a clean conduit, from a healthy consciousness. And so this, the differentiation of this is it’s built for someone who is starting. Do they just want to know what is this? How do I get out of the default mode network? How do I let go of these thoughts that really aren’t mine and how do I use breathwork to do that so I can have true stress management as a lifelong strategy.

Steph:
Hmm. I like what you said earlier about it being essentially something that we can all do. And, and in many cases, I mean, you might need an initial training but free, right. You know, you can do it and you don’t have, you don’t have to go to Thailand. I mean, it’d be great. I would love to go to Thailand and do a month intensive. Um, but you, you don’t have to do that.

Josh:
Well, and I did it because I wanted to, I’m like you, I have to try something before I talk about it and even offer it to other people. Like I really want to go there. So I did. I did Thailand, I did Denver lays training, I did Christian men’s training at Rhythmia. I did a couple more breath workshops here. And so I just, I started to see the common threads between all of this. And it’s w, w whoever’s leading it, whoever’s creating anything, what is their heart, what is their intention behind the whole thing? Then there’s the modality itself, you know, even in your world of NTP and, and, and understanding how food affects our relationship with self and everything else. If somebody is working with a practitioner and their heart’s not aligned with really being of service to that man or woman that they’re working with, it doesn’t matter how much academic knowledge they have.

Josh:
And I think when we look at breath work, it’s a very intimate thing. You know, people have a lot of stuff come up stuff when they breathe, especially when they do the longer journey breathing. And it really takes somebody whose heart is in the right place to hold space, to be there, to be able to support what’s happening for that person. So I would say that the academic and the procedural knowledge of breath work, yes, it’s very, very important, but also the intention and the person that practitioner’s ability to be there energetically and just know how to communicate properly when people are going through the emotional trauma that comes up. That’s more powerful than the academic and the process itself.

Steph:
Uh-huh. Have you personally had challenging things that have come up during your breathwork? I mean, I know you were talking about sort of the re-parenting phase. I know when I’ve, as I said, I’ve done two sessions, um, of Soma and it was very a, the first one I was just like, Oh, I got it, the breath-holding, you know, it’s so easy. And, and then the second time I really struggled. Um, so it was two different experiences and I, I hate to say like two experiences is, is a really a robust amount of data points to pull from. But have you ever had anything challenging that came up for you?

Josh:
Yeah, I had one, I had memories come up from childhood, like, um, parents yelling at each other, just like, just like, like for some pretty hardcore verbal abuse. And so what came up for me when I was meditating and I was just like, I’d left the breathwork session was, Oh wow. Like, they’re just people, my dad, and mom, like they’re just people. Y’all just like, just like you and me. And, and they came into this world. They did the best they could. They brought in, they gave us life. You know, what came up for me in the breathwork was like feeling how we all have parents to some degree that are imperfect. This is to be a human being, is to be imperfect. So I got to see how my mother and my father in a, in a specific breathwork session in LA, um, truly did the best they could.

Josh:
And I mean, not just saying it, but I mean really feeling that in my heart. Like, Oh yeah, Oh, I see that. She, my mom, my dad, they didn’t get what they needed from their parents. And it’s this [inaudible] karmic chain that unless we’re doing the work, that changes never get broken. [inaudible] so even you and I here on the podcast talking about it like that’s what really came up frantic breathwork session is, Oh, I hold the power to break karmic chains. I can break karmic chains by giving compassion and love to my parents who did the best they could. Because you know why they’re just people.

Steph:
Right. Yeah. Well I know and I think we do tend to idolize or,

Josh:
um,

Steph:
have higher expectations of people. And I was talking to somebody about this the other day, so my grandfather was like my father figure. Um, he died when I was eight. So I think when you’re eight, seven, eight, you know, and I had a really good relationship with him and you know, just, it was wonderful. But I’m like if I had known him when I was an adult, maybe, I mean I would have probably seen his imperfections. Yeah. But I didn’t have that experience cause he was, he was gone out of my life so quickly. So I haven’t think about that stuff too. And I do, I’m like, yeah, our parents, our family members, we expect so much of them and yet

Josh:
there are people just like we are. Yeah. And it’s been, you know, what else comes up in, in breathwork and, and I feel like there’s really three areas that we all fall into. It’s like most people are drawn to the breath because there’s something in them that’s so uncomfortable and they’ve heard from other people that that discomfort can be relieved. We’re all looking for a reprieve in some way and or an answer to how we can feel better, how we can live better. That’s the first piece. And then the next one is, how do I get out of this? Like maybe a traumatic state that I feel like I’m in. Maybe I’m in a job that I hate and I deal with massive anxiety. There’s specific breathing for anxiety and depression. And then the third phase, which I think you had mentioned earlier, is more of the journey breathing.

Josh:
This is like the catharsis, you know, where we’re deep stuff comes out. This is longer sessions, you know, 30 minutes, 60 minutes. That’s where it’s really important to have a practitioner that has experience under the belt doing that. Like, I don’t, in this brief program we’re not doing because catharsis journey breathing, well we refer out to that because that takes, um, I really believe that takes an in-person practitioner that can hold that space and, and be there for that person. But in the first two categories, they can get people a long way. You know, there’s some very progressive and tactical things that all men and women can do to use the breath to reduce stress and to just have it be a strategy for them dealing with this challenges in life that we’re all going through, you know, the money and the responsibilities and all this stuff. We weren’t designed for this. We weren’t designed for this constant drip of stress. No, not at all. No. Yeah.

Steph:
Do you, you know, so I think the other thing I, that oftentimes comes up is people are like, look, I don’t have time. I don’t have time to, you know, it would be lovely. I would love to go to a class or I would love to, you know, carve out an hour or whatever. Um, you know, is, is this something that people can get a benefit from if they have just had a few minutes?

Josh:
Yeah. Then I have a seven-minute protocol that I’ve designed and in seven minutes you can radically shift your state from fear and you can get into a space of being creative or being empowered rather than, you know, lack of breath, which is really that, that’s what anxiety is. If you look at psychology and anxiety is simply excitement without breath. Okay? So you in seven minutes doing the right protocol, you can get out of anxiety, you can get into your breath, you can get in your body. Tony Robbins says, if you’re in your head, you’re dead. So I know this cause I’m on my head a lot. Okay guys, like I’m, I’m, I’m my own student while I teach other people. So, um, yeah, I think seven minutes is really all we need. You know, maybe even less to be honest, if people are just starting out, you know, I have a five minute guided, uh, in our M 21 guide that people can get that for free@wellnessforest.com slash [inaudible] 21 like you can start right now for free and just do three to five minutes of breathwork. You don’t even need to purchase anything. Hmm. I love that.

Steph:
And I think that’s great, you know, it’s a great gateway. It’s, it’s great to, to be able to have that capacity. Right. And if you’re not used to Steven taking the time, I mean, that can be a challenge in and of it.

Josh:
Yeah. You know, Steph, sorry to interrupt you, but like I’ll mention this. I was on, um, I was talking to Dr. Michael Ruscio on the podcast and he was like, you know, I’m really been having trouble meditating and I was like, have you ever thought about just doing a little bit of breathwork before you meditate? And he was like, this is mind breaking because when we go to stimulate the vagal nerve, that’s what shifts us into parasympathetic. And that’s what allows our body to relax. It will nerve runs all the way down the back of our spine. It’s when we open our diaphragm when we take a big breath in and we breathe out, our diaphragm expands and contracts and literally pushes against the vagal nerve. And that’s what gets us into that relaxation phase that, that deep breath like we can, we can just do a deep breath right now and just doing one deep breath, you know, so we can, we can’t argue with this. A feeling that’s for sure.

Steph:
Well, uh, the, the podcast prior to this one that should have come out is with Kieron Christian unless the schedule changed. But the right, we, we talked about the vagal nerve and the connection between the gut and the brain. Perfect. Right. So this is just another dimension of why that stuff is so important. Yeah,

Josh:
yeah. Just all vagal tone all the time. Yes. We need, we don’t

Steph:
like most of us stuff as you know, cause you’ve been in health and fitness for a long time. A lot of people are forward flexed. You know we drive, we have kyphosis, we have forward head posture. Like we’re really breathing from our chest. If we can open the chest and, and start breathing from our belly like that’s when we get the juicy vagal nerve. And I have seen it. Yeah. And I talked to, you know, my community is mostly women and uh, I’m sure this comes up with men as well. But you know, I always say like, I don’t know what it is to be like, you know, I don’t know what the male experience is like, but for women, especially a always being taught to suck in our gut, second our stomach, don’t let our stomach be round, you know, fall in our belly, be round because uh, you know, cause that us around appearance, I mean that and just postural and how we hold ourselves, um, is

Josh:
it totally plays into that stuff. There is a section that I go over in brief where we talk about foam rolling them Dobbin a wall. Because especially for men, we’re, we’re, we’re taught that as well. Like you have a six-pack, you know, B like these strong, you know, pull your belly in and it’s like we’re locking energy there. We’re creating an energy dump where our Shakur isn’t aligned. Our energetic systems, however, you want to describe it, the energy flow in our body is blocked when we’re consistently tightening our transverse abdominis and our rectus abdominis. Like it’s not, we weren’t designed for that. If you look at any picture of us as Hunter-gatherers or just us being people, people have a little bit of a, of a stomach that hangs out and that’s okay. Like God, it’s, it’s beautiful. It’s the tower body was designed. We’re not designed to have this like rock hard abs that looks like a flat piece of paper. Uh, it’s OK if your belly hangs out a little bit. And I think we’re seeing that change too.

Steph:
Yeah. Well, yeah, just to be in that constantly flexed state. Um, you know, it’s a, it’s great to be able to go through the full range of, of motion and the full range of all that stuff. Even, you know, things like shapewear and, and I, I don’t, you know, if people feel more comfortable with that stuff, like that’s certainly up to them to decide. But I always am like, just remember how that does affect how you breathe or if you wear clothes that don’t fit your hearing now body, how is that constriction or restriction affecting how you feel and your anxiety or your stress? So

Josh:
any, any point of constriction? I’m curious how you feel stuff either physically or emotionally. Any point of constriction is just something’s being asked for. Like some, like we’re either asking for reprieve or relief or attention or connection, whatever it is. The dollar feelings are such powerful guideposts. Yeah. If there’s something going on with my back, it’s, it’s probably not always physical. Absolutely.

Steph:
Absolutely. And the connection between feelings and that sort of somatic, that expression in the body of where we feel certain things. Yes. Um, so important. So important to pee aware of that. And I think we’re just not [inaudible] and we collectively,

Josh:
um,

Steph:
I think things are changing and like you said, but [inaudible] we’re just

Josh:
not aware of like, Oh, that tightness in my jaw or that pain in my throat or that, you know,

Steph:
burning in my, I don’t know, like wherever, you know, my right knee or I don’t know, it just, it, it, it comes out in, in different places. And if we can connect to that, that’s so powerful.

Josh:
Yeah. And it’s a lifelong journey too. Like that one thing I’ve been thinking about is that that transformation and emotional intelligence and all these things, they can have their moments of being challenging. But God, we can have fun doing this thing too. Like we can, we can do our work and it doesn’t have to be, um, a hundred percent sign wave of difficulty transformation. People get so deep into it. I feel like they get stuck sometimes. It’s like, man, they just get down in the weeds.

Steph:
Yeah. W along that line, um, you know, how do you personally sort of deal with the, the feeling of like there will never be a point of arrival with this process for yourself. I know a lot of people are like, but I just want to feel like I get to the end.

Steph:
You know, like I want to be there and you know, like how do you personally sort of deal with that?

Josh:
Okay. I read a book from Richard Bach, it’s called illusions and he talks about this, that we all have this um, monkey mind loop that says, when I’m a, when I’m with this person, my body looks this way. When I have dismay followers, when my life looks like this, then I can take a deep breath. Then I’ll be happy. Then everything will be great. But you and I both know that is a complete illusion and I get still stuff. I still fall into this sometimes where I’m like, well actually no. If I, if I did have another 50 grand in my leg, I would be really happy, you know? But, but I know, I know there is a deep part of me that knows that when I’m making my reality financially, spiritually, health, wealth, everything. When I’m making that reality from my heart and in my mind with my eyes closed, that’s what gives me inspired action that’s sustainable.

Josh:
This is really what we’re talking about is how do we live life well that’s sustainable or we’re not burning out because I’ve gone through phases where it’s like I’ll go really hard and then I’ll burn out. I’ll go really hard and burnout like up and down, up and down and recently I’ve just come across this experiment. I’ve been doing an experiment and I’m like, well what happened if I just let off the reins a little bit and I just trusted and I just put my mind in my meditation sessions and I just put my intention out there into the world that everything that I need is already here. It’s okay on it’s way and I’m supported. I’m supported by God, whether you believe in God or not, I’m supported by something, whatever, put us here. And I would question people to say, well, if you’re an atheist or if you don’t believe in any higher power, whatever we believe, we get to check in on how it makes us feel. And if this is all just a big video game, then let’s just believe things that make us feel good. You know, that’s what I’ve been feeling into lately. I’ll let you know how it goes.

Steph:
Well, I’d love that, and I think that’s a great experiment and,

Josh:
and I, I love how you frame that. If you know you don’t, I believe in that higher, higher power universe or source or whatever you want to call it, except for different people have their own ideas and the things that really resonate for them. Then yeah, just check, check-in with how, how being in that in that mind space makes you feel, because then we know that those feelings drive our actions. Absolutely. I’ve, I just wanted to go, amen. I look, I look further listeners. I don’t think that God is a bearded dude in the sky. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that there is something that you know, allows you stuff, needs to connect with your audience and allows me to figure out how I live my life. Well, whatever that is, wherever put us here. Like that’s the thing that we, if we connect with that energy, that force as much as humanly possible, I think that’s what gives us the feeling that we’re wanting, that we think we’ll have when we have the money, have the life, have the body.

Josh:
I think that’s really what it’s all about. Hmm. Mike’s job is going to knock my microphone over. Um, I think that’s a perfect, the perfect sentiment to end it on. And uh, yeah, wonderful. Just such a great way to sum it all up and I love that. You know, really going back to sort of the, if then thinking like if I have the same, then I’ll feel this way. But I mean, is that Kim, can we, can we work on generating that here and now? Um, yeah, we’ve heard it so much, right? We’ve all heard it and a part of us is like, Oh yeah, that’s true. I really, if I do make this much money or if I have a body like this, um, I guess that’s true. I guess I have to be really happy to let go of old weight first. Like I, I’m, I’m happy and I love myself first, then the weight feels safe enough to be let go of.

Josh:
And I think that way could be transferred into any subject in life. [inaudible] absolutely. All right. So tell people where they can connect with you. Where can they learn about your course? Where can they find your podcast and all things wellness force stuff? Thank you for having me. This is like, I’ve, I always enjoy talking with you and um, this was really cool. This is the first time that I’ve talked about, uh, the struggle that I had and I, I really am proud that it was on your show and that I could just come out with the truth because how you can find me is that I’m always publishing what I believe to be true and I’m being honest with myself. And with the people that I care about and we’re always doing that@wellnessforce.com. Um, or on the wellness force podcast, we explored this, this physical and emotional intelligence.

Josh:
And if you want to get a free download, you can go to wellness force.com forward slash M 21 that’s M 21 morning 21 you can get ’em the breathwork with Steph and I was talking about for free. And uh, the course will be in October. So when this comes out it’ll actually be called the breath program. Shocker of breath brief. Great, great for SEO. Good. I like that. That at breathwork dot. IO breathwork.io your listing. Wonderful. October 15th. Great. So we’re going to link all of that in the show notes. I am going to go grab the download cause I wanna I want to have that. I wanna I, I want to have to, to follow

Steph:
along with. So thanks so much for sharing that with my listeners. Thank you for your candidness as always. Um, and for feeling like this is a safe space to talk about those things. Um, I really do appreciate that and I appreciate you as a person in all of the things that you are wearing, your heart on your sleeve, about bringing up to your community. You know, I’ve been using the phrase going through the muck a lot recently. You know, we’re well kind of waiting through it together, but there is, I think, um, there are glimmers of, of hope and glimmers of excellence, um, in what we do. So really trying to,

Steph:
to look for those as well. And I think you’d do a great job with that. Thanks. Stuff deep down to you in what you’re creating too with your community. So, such a joy. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we’ll talk soon.

Steph:
alright, that’s a wrap on this episode with Josh Trent host a wellness force radio good friend of mine and someone who I really respect on this journey he’s on. He’s so open and shares. So honestly and I really do appreciate it. So I made sure you go check out everything Josh’s up too. You can get links to that at the show notes for this episode. Those are@stephgaudreau.com you can also find a full transcript now, so if you’d like to read, if there was something that you want to go back and specifically look at, you can do that in the show notes and while you’re there, make sure you check out all the links to everything that Josh is up to in the world. Also, remember just a couple of days left to get the core for a signed copy for 50% off when you grabbed my bead strong program. You can finally see that while you’re on the website as well. Okay. I’ll be back or Friday’s episode if you’re slow Friday and until then be well.

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