Anti-Diet versus Functional Nutrition w/ Michelle Shapiro

Do you struggle with navigating the middle ground between functional nutrition and the anti-diet movement? Michelle Shapiro is a registered dietitian who is on a mission to support the common good by helping others understand a blended approach to food and your body. Never afraid to get into a debate, Michelle has devoted her life to a safe way for people to apply the incredible principles of functional healing to the paradigm of body neutral loving and ethical body treatment.

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Rejecting The Body Notions That Don’t Stick With You

If you are struggling to understand the polar ends of the spectrum and are searching for answers when it comes to approaching intuitive eating for your specific life experiences, Michelle is here to open up the conversation. By not being afraid to challenge people or put herself in an uncomfortable position, Michelle is accomplishing her mission one skeptic at a time.

Michelle wants you to tolerate the discomfort that you feel and sit with yourself to better understand what your body needs. By questioning everyone except for yourself, you can check in with yourself deeply and honestly to find the possibility of miraculous healing. There is always something that you can do to make yourself feel better, and Michelle is here to provide you with a message of hope and healing during these difficult times. On a mission to help others be seen, remove judgment, and embracing health changes, this is an episode you don’t want to miss.

Are you ready to start rejecting the body notions that don’t stick with you and embracing the ones that do? Share where you sit on the spectrum with us in the comments below.

On Today’s Episode

  • Learn the benefits of gravitating towards a blended approach of understanding (9:35)
  • Discover what you should be tuning your awareness into and away from (14:14)
  • Why you should approach intuitive eating from your specific life experiences (19:25)
  • How to listen and tune into your body from a middle ground of functional nutrition (24:20)
  • Why you should listen to your gut when selecting a healthcare professional (25:33)

Resources Mentioned In This Show

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“If I feel like something threatens people, whether it be diet culture, whether it be something like big pharma, I am very willing and eager to put myself in an awkward position if there is even a potential that someone else might feel seen or heard.” (8:27)

“When you’re handing someone sort of restrictive plan, you need to be extremely highly sensitive to the person you are working with to understand what they might have gone through to get to that point.” (18:08)

“I actually affect change by talking to people who would be the most anti-whatever I am talking about at the highest level, and who might have more influence too.” (21:15)

“Anyone can do what we do, you really can learn to do what we do. Sure we are special in some ways, but I’m not more exemplary than any other person applying the same principles that I use. Anyone can do what we do.” (26:36)

“Check in with yourself so deeply and so honestly, without judgment, without ego, without anything, and just really get to know where you are at. And in doing that you will know if you need additional help or if you are the help that you need.” (32:45)

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The Middle Ground Of Functional Health w/ Michelle Shapiro FULL TRANSCRIPT

Steph Gaudreau
This is Episode 282 of the Listen To Your Body Podcast podcast. On today’s show, I’m welcoming registered dietician Michelle Shapiro and we’re talking all about how to navigate the middle ground between functional nutrition and the anti-diet movement.

The next evolution of Harder To Kill Radio is here. Welcome to the Listen To Your Body Podcast. on this show, we’ll explore the intersection of body, mind, and soul health, and help you reclaim your abilities to eat and move more intuitively. Hear Your body’s signals, and trust yourself more deeply.

I’m Steph Gaudreau, a certified intuitive eating counselor, nutritional therapy practitioner, and strength coach. On this podcast. You can expect to hear expert guest interviews and solo chats that will help you deepen your trust with food movement and your body. Remember to hit the subscribe button and share this podcast with your friends and loved ones. Now, on to the show. Hello, hello, welcome back to the show. Thank you so very much for joining me today on the podcast. I very much appreciate that you’re taking some time out of your day to spend it with Michelle and myself. And this is going to be a really great show because not only is Michelle someone that I really respect as a professional as appear she’s a registered dietician who works in the functional space as well as being firmly versed in body respect, body positivity, the anti-diet movement and so on and so forth. She’s someone who navigates that center ground very deftly, and very, very well but she’s also a really great friend of mine and somebody I’ve come to know over the last I’d say a year or so. And it turns out we have a ton in common. So I really enjoyed getting to sit down with her on this show and talk about, you know, these two, what would seem like opposite ends of the nutrition spectrum. How do you find kind of the balance between the two? And how do you assess if you’re out in the world? How do you assess the information that you’re seeing? Because having that literacy of taking in the information, kind of chugging it through your brain, applying it to you, and be able to listen to your body is a skill that we need to learn. So today on the show, Michelle is sharing her thoughts and strategies on that with you. Before we hop in, I would love to ask you a couple of things. First of all, hit subscribe on your podcast app. And then also if you really like this show, share it on social media tag, Michelle. She’s at Michelle Shapiro rd, and myself. I’m at Steph_Gaudreau and I know my last name is tricky G.A.U.D.R.E.A.U you so tag us both we would love to see what you think. And this show I would love to invite you to join my listen to your body newsletter. I have a couple of things in the hopper right now with expanding my offerings in this area of helping you learn how to trust yourself more around the food, trust yourself more with movement and develop a really peaceful relationship with those two as a former serial dater, and someone who has done every plan under the sun and finally got away from the all of the rules and all the confusion and started to really develop the meat plan in all of that noise. I would love to help you do the same. So go ahead and join my listen to your body newsletter. And that’s where I send out weekly dispatches. That have extended thoughts on all of these topics. I will remind you about podcasts that come out. And then, of course, share how you can work together with me. So you can do that at Steph slash Lt. YB. Alright, let’s jump into the episode.

Michelle, what’s going on? How are you?

Michelle Shapiro
Hi, Steph. I’m okay. I’m good. I’m happier because I’m here chatting with you. How are you doing today?

Steph Gaudreau
What’s up? I’m okay. And you know, we’ve joked about this before, ask me again in five minutes at all. It’s possible that that’s changed. But you know, here we are lots to be grateful for and I’m so glad that you’re on the show this week with me.

Michelle Shapiro
I am ridiculously excited. There’s very few people I would be as excited to chat with. And I’m just so excited to get to all the amazing topics I know that we’ve talked about before and just have some fun. Excited,

Steph Gaudreau
yeah, we’re gonna have to, we’re gonna have to rein it in. I feel like because we have proven that we can talk about anything and expand upon many different topics and go down many different rabbit holes. So stuff. I do want to get into some different stuff with you today. Although I mean, we can talk about so many things. I feel like you are also a bit of a jack of all trades, not in a not I know, people are like a jack of all trades, master of none. But I feel. And I feel like that applies to me too. Like I have a lot of different areas of personal interest, expertise and so on. And so a lot of the times when I’m talking to people, I’m like, oh, here’s how that connects with this other thing. And I feel like you do you also do that very naturally as part of the work that you do.

Michelle Shapiro
That’s because everything’s connected. So I think that if you just have an understanding of some really basic concepts, which you and I both do, and the most basic concepts which is that listening to your body is the most important thing. Everything because the kind of does tie in really beautifully. And that’s why you can kind of be the master of certain things, more than you might anticipate if you understand some essential truths, which I think both of us labor under the exact same ones for sure.

Steph Gaudreau
Yeah. And it takes, I mean, to compliment you and me.

Michelle Shapiro
Like, why don’t we just compliment ourselves a little bit

Steph Gaudreau
It takes skills to be able to see the commonalities in the ways in which things do connect and linked together and yet are different in So anyway, I think you do a masterful job at

Michelle Shapiro
that same exactly to you. And it’s funny because I feel like we both do come back to these essential truths and understandings. And we both we definitely work in similar arenas and with our own spin and medical understanding and empathetic understanding. But we always come back to the same essential truths, which is why I appreciate you so much the person in front

Steph Gaudreau
thanks I always love when you UR I envy you and a lot of ways and I admire you, because you say a lot of times the things on social media that I’m thinking and I’m like, Oh, I don’t know if I want to want to go there and say it like that, but Michelle did. Okay, cool. I’m gonna like put her focus because you do take on a lot of things head on. And, you know, I’m a masshole you’re a New Yorker 100% like me, we sort of come from similar stock in some ways. But you know, what makes where does that come from for you? Like, is it just sort of a you know, I this is really important for me, I’m going to get this out here. I don’t care what, what all the naysayers are going to say or is it just something a little bit more true to who you are in your delivery style or both or something else?

Michelle Shapiro
Well, that’s a good question. I definitely get like a burning sensation to need to say things and I have done a lot of different Personal ego work to make sure that what I’m fighting for and advocating for isn’t my own mission, but the mission of the common good. So if I feel like something threatens people, whether it be diet culture, whether it be something like Big Pharma, I’m very willing and eager to put myself in an awkward position if there’s even a potential that someone else might feel seen or heard. And that’s because I’ve removed ego from the work that I do, so that I don’t attribute people’s negative reactions to what I might be saying to my own self. I just attribute it to their perception of what they’re feeling, but my goal is really to make people feel seen and heard and I’ll always, you know, do things at my own expense to do that for sure.

Steph Gaudreau
Well, I love how you do it, and I appreciate you very much for that. And I know the people who follow you appreciate that as well. You know, you do a lot of work in two areas where I feel like There is a lot of so called mutual exclusivity happening these days, especially in the online space, which is really functional medicine, and body image, body neutrality, body positivity, knowing that those are all very knows are all different things, but they’re shades of like, kind of the same thing and you navigate it really well. And I feel like that’s really confusing for people because they come in and they think, but I’m supposed to take sides, you know, it’s to see one way or the other. Why have you gravitated toward this blended approach to helping people understand food in their bodies and existing in these physical forms?

Michelle Shapiro
Absolutely. I think you do it better than I do it by the way, so if we’re going to be thrown off, just gonna say you are the leader in charge of this middle ground as I’ll call it. And the middle ground is between functional nutrition, functional healing and some really militant form of body positivity. I can I, I’ll actually just if you don’t mind, I’ll just share really briefly kind of my personal story and how I landed here. Though, growing up, I occupied a larger body and lost 100 pounds in high school, which I don’t usually advertise. Because trigger warning, I did it the wrong way. And I lost it really rapidly in a timeframe. I don’t like to disclose because I don’t want to encourage people again to do this. And basically after that face the ramifications of slowed thyroid gut dysfunction, anxiety, panic attacks, and all these issues that I didn’t suffer from before. So I basically thought when I was losing weight the first time I’m very type A and yes, I’ve always been outspoken. I was like class clown in my high school. Very intense person. Always. I basically was like, if I’m going to do this damn thing. I’m going to do it all the way. I’m going to be like the gnarliest calorie restrict or you’ve ever met, I’m gonna just do the worst, the best of the worst, basically. And I really suffered tremendous illness as a result physical illness, spiritual illness. And basically, I clawed my way back to health as I describe it after that, and that’s really what defines the work that I do. So I always knew I need to find a way. And at that time, also, I had terrible body image issues, it felt like I never lost the weight in the first place. So I kind of had the feeling like I was still in the larger body, but then I had all these added illnesses on top of it. So I really wanted to devote my life to finding a safe way for people if they did want to, you know, alter their body size or make any health change, to be able to apply these incredible principles of functional healing to the paradigm of, you know, really body neutral, loving, kind of ethical weight loss, where it’s warranted, and I’m I’m so cautious to use the word weight loss. And I actually don’t want to be because I really don’t believe weight loss in it in and of itself is inherently evil, or bad or unhealthy. I think that it’s your impression of it and the reasons that you do it that could make it really unhealthy and the approach of course, so basically, you know, like you stuff I’m sure and like, many people listening and many healthcare professionals, we do what we know. And we work with what we know. And I know anxiety, weight loss, body image issues, gut issues, like, because I personally saw the answers to it for a long time.

Steph Gaudreau
Yeah, I appreciate the the, like, the backstory and the perspective because I know that living through those things gives you a very different point of view. And I don’t want to say expertise is not the right term, but just like this lived experience of what it what it is like that you can never really know unless you go through it. When you know when you’re considering so your registered dietician, when you consider sort of the worlds of nutrition, functional nutrition, so on and so forth. I mean, I’m a nutritional therapist, different worlds, but yet we’re driving at some of the similar some similar things. It’s really interesting to me how oftentimes, there are people who get super upset and defensive and don’t understand how things like nutrition can have a place. Like I said earlier, you know, it oftentimes comes down to an either or, and it’s like you pick a side and you can’t, you can’t Dally anywhere in the middle. And so when you’re kind of zooming out and looking at these perspectives of body image, or body neutrality, functional medicine, functional nutrition, all of these worlds, what are some of the biggest sort of mistakes that you see? The biggest, unhelpful things being perpetuated that you see, other than the weight loss piece that you already touched on, but like, what are some of the things that you, you’re like, Oh, I wish people would would tune their awareness into this thing because it’s or away from something else because it’s just not really helping them.

Michelle Shapiro
I love this question. Oh my God, you’re so good at this. I mean, you are so good at this. This is your whole thing. And like, you know, you’re just a talker and a feeler and and and total empath, and listener, but I’m like, Oh, you just asked the best questions, too. So here’s, I can kind of take you to my issue with the what I coined the militant two ends of both of these spectrums who would be the really severe kind of haze, militant haze people and they’re really severe functional nutrition medicine people. So I’ll start with the haze crew, I think. I mean, I’m fully body positive as a practitioner. I’m weight inclusive, trauma informed and absolutely understand the morality weight issue and that your weight as a human being is not your worth point blank no arguments there. I’m the my kind of issue when you go too far down that path is that if you are all the way on that side, you do start to dismiss basic nutritional truths. And I see a lot of people in that community and the most, again, the most militant part of that community because we’re not we’re talking about a small portion of people saying, you know, there’s really nothing that can help to boost your immune system. There’s really nothing you can do that can help you lose weight, there’s nothing there is a learned helplessness about it. And it’s just blatantly not true or to say 98% of diets fail. Well, what kind of diets are we talking about? Are we talking about working with someone as a practitioner one on one to make intentional food choices? What do we mean when we say 90% of diets fail? And I think the big thing missing for me from that crew as I would call it from New You’re that crow that click is, is the idea that functional nutrition is immensely miraculously healing. I mean, I see patients who come to me and they’re vomiting several times a day not from an eating disorder, but from severe gi illness, they would have gone to, I don’t know, 10 of the best specialists in New York City, top doctors, world renowned doctors, as everyone says in New York, everyone’s reading everyone in New York, we’re always ranking people. They’re the best of the best of the best of the best, and getting no answers and then they come to me a measly dietitian compared to you know, these world renowned doctors and they get symptom resolution from changing their eating habits and minute ways. And if you know you have seen the power of functional nutrition to literally take someone from severe illness, pain, discomfort, anxiety to being completely liberated, it would be impossible for you to discount that lived experience. So I really think that a lot of people who are too far in that world might have only worked with eating disorders might have only worked in that capacity and not seeing the ability of nutrition, to heal your entire body and life, to heal your spirit and to nourish your body. And after seeing so many miraculous healing, so much miraculous healing in my practice, it just too obvious to me to leave that part of the equation out. And then, you know, here comes my issue with, you know, people who are too far in the functional nutrition world, and who are too, and I this is a triggering word to use on a staff podcast, but to paleo, you know, too strict, too far in ancestral nutrition is that they’re not acknowledging the human experience and weight stigma. And, you know, if you hand someone a low fodmap meal plan, let’s say and say Here you go, the fact that people are going to be desperately afraid of these foods that could be potentially causing illness, so not understanding empathetically, that when you’re handing someone something Sort of restrictive plan that you need to be extremely highly sensitive to the person you’re working with to understand what they might have gone through to get to that point. So you really need to blend both. And I give this example a lot where I had a client who was definitely for medical necessity, wanted to and needed to lose weight. And she came to me first I did not feel she was prepared to start a weight loss regime. I made her work with me on like consciousness, empathy, and just real deep emotional level for a year have weekly sessions before I ever gave her any sort of therapeutic meal plan. But it took a year for me to release nutrition information because when you’re too biased and too, in pain and traumatized by nutrition information, you won’t be able to receive it. So I basically listen to my clients and see when can I release that functional nutrition part but you do have to start from that. Have unbias and really listening and digging deep to understand where someone’s at when they first come?

Steph Gaudreau
Yes, absolutely. I think that’s really important. And I love how you’ve laid out sort of both of those polar ends of the spectrum and how both of them have to go to be so squarely in either side or the other has limited, right. There’s limitation. And, yeah, their validity and in some circumstances, but not others. Like for example, I mean, I don’t work with eating disorder clients, because that’s out of my scope of practice and expertise, right. So, you know, approaching, like intuitive eating for somebody that has an eating disorder would be different from approaching intuitive eating or functional nutrition or whatever we want to talk about from a perspective of somebody who’s coming at it with a non eating disorder history. So it’s like, it gets to To be so personalized, aside from working with clients and one on one, how do you like how are you personally professionally, I should say, working to help people understand this at a global, like a much looser, you’re saying, you know, like world renowned. I’m like I know like your global people know you all over the world. How do you help communicate that to the masses? So to say, right? It’s different than when you’re going to sit down with that client and you’re going to have a weekly check in with them and you’re going to slowly work them toward maybe receiving that more functional nutrition information like how do you do this on a much greater scale?

Michelle Shapiro
I know and you know, stuff. It’s so funny. We’ve actually you and I have messaged sometimes or just like, I’m like, a little tired today to fight. You know, I’m a little tired to like put up the battle against it. I am, like, you know, not afraid to challenge people and because I do have a great network in New York City. Again, I’m a born and bred New Yorker. So I built You know, roots here for a very long time, I actually affect change by talking to people who would be the most anti whatever I’m talking about at the highest level and who might have more influence to. So if I have someone who’s like a really, I have a lot of clients who are high performing executives in New York, they’re not ecstatic to talk about body positivity, let me tell you, they’re like, please tell me the exact things I need to eat. I have no time for this. But at the end of the day, high performing people also put the most amount of criticism and pressure on themselves and probably look out for the greater good, maybe even sometimes more than their own health or their money or than their own health. So I think another thing is, I’m really comfortable and excited to open up conversations with people who don’t necessarily want to engage in those conversations. Maybe I tricked them into them, but people who have maybe a greater reach than just me and who really have Never heard of these perspectives Um, I think is really important and then I you know, I do online courses specifically for you know my unique perspective on this and I try to whenever I can connect with like you are very like minded people so that we can really hammer in very specific messages to people even if you and I if we’re off by a step on our message, but you catch something I don’t or I catch on the you don’t I think us communicating and sharing each other’s message is very beautiful. And and really important. And if anyone’s up for a good discussion and fight and debate, I’m always up for it. Even if my HPA axis isn’t always up for it, I mentally, always, I’m always up for it. And especially if, again, it’s coming back to helping people so I and I’ll also say I’ve been giving, you know, in person seminars, I’d say in the past seven years, I must have given over 500 there were times I was doing them more than weekly To groups of hundred hundred and 50 people in a corporate wellness setting, in a residential wellness setting, and just to people’s, you know, really corporate groups, but I’ve given hundreds and hundreds of seminars. And I love that I’ve worked with companies I actually worked full time at Con Edison, the electric company, and I’ve worked for hedge funds and just kind of, I always cater the talk to the group, but it’s really fun for me to reach a lot of people in that way too.

Steph Gaudreau
So, I appreciate all that if if someone’s someone is listening to this, and I want to say bring people on the show oftentimes, because I feel like However, it’s gonna land for people to hear a similar thing, like you just said, Here, a similar thing being said, tailored to the unique way in which that guest is going to deliver it is they’re, you know, what are some of the things that you run recommend or you suggest that people can do to Yes, listen to and tune into their bodies from a nutritional perspective, from that more middle place, right? blending the worlds of functional nutrition, or traditional therapy or whatever we’re talking about with that, that lens of like, yeah, I realize I need to be kind to myself, I like the three things I talked about all the time, self knowledge, self care and self compassion. Like those have to be overlaid onto everything that we do. If it’s going to be sustainable, if it’s going to be kind of it’s going to be nurturing if it’s going to move us ultimately forward. So what are some of the ways that you recommend people develop that awareness when it comes to food?

Michelle Shapiro
If that makes love that question, oh, it totally makes sense. I think that everything you say makes more than sense it like resonates deeply in my soul. When you talk about Yes, of course. I think the phrase that I’m thinking of right now is question everyone except for yourself. Question everyone and their and what they’re doing and that and that’s okay you can challenge the people in your life but when you’re signing up, especially with a healthcare professional because I actually have more caution to people choosing the right healthcare professional than anything else to work with, just make sure in their language on their social media that they understand and aren’t using, you know, aggressive words describing bodies aren’t using oppressive words describing bodies that they appear to have, at least because it’s the best you can do appear to have some sort of weight inclusivity and don’t seem to be in general to like I said before, egoic personal brands are one thing and like I love seeing your posts, because again, like you show yourself once in a while and it’s like amazing to see your face on there. But it’s not like me, me, me, I heal, I cure everything. I am amazing, really looking for those practitioners who are going to show up for you and their posts are about conditions and healing and you and that their posts aren’t about them. And so much just centered on what they are able to do, Steph and I will both tell you like anyone can do what we do. Like you really can learn to do what we do. sure we’re special in some ways, but I’m not more exemplary than any other person applying the same principles that I use. Anyone can do what we do. That’s another thing too if someone says no, the only person who can do what they do I have a question that really hard so that would be my first step is question every everyone except for yourself. And if you get a weird feeling when you’re looking at someone’s page, it means there probably is something wrong. Like listen to that gut instinct. It tells you a lot. If you’re feeling like you’re not resonating with something. I am like the trigger happiest with blocking anyone I don’t I am like you should my block, I must have more people on my block list than my follow list. Like, I must have 10,000 people watch, I’m just if something doesn’t resonate with me, because I don’t want my mind to even go to a place where it’s not comfortable. So again, you know, question everyone except for yourself. And really, just I think the answer to all of health woes is the more you can tolerate discomfort, and the more that you can sit with yourself, that will lead to listening to yourself more, and not saying that it’s at all comfortable. I’m saying the opposite. I’m not saying it’s at all comfortable to sit with yourself but being able to tolerate the discomfort of whatever is going on with you will make you resilient in every single way and will give you access, unlimited access to yourself and your own intuition. So just sitting with stuff. When I was thinking of a phrase today, and I said it during client session and wrote it down, and I can’t even remember what it was, but basically about your thoughts like, Don’t kind of reject them, but invite them, invite them to the table with you invite them as they come in and really understand that your intuition has gotten you to this point in time. It is subconsciously guiding you no matter what you do, but just allowing it in any way possible to come to the conscious surface, which means rejecting a lot of notions that don’t sit well with you and accepting a lot of notions that do. Hmm.

Steph Gaudreau
Yeah, I love that. If, if people are looking for a way to do this, like in real time, then have a podcast that I did with Tim Desmond called How to Stay human in a fucked up world which is obviously about his his book, but he he walked me through how to do that how to essentially sit with challenging feelings. Like it live on

Michelle Shapiro
the phone. It’s so annoying by the way. I just like a really annoying Yeah, I really I really just wanted like distract myself a little bit. I’d like to work and like overwork compulsively and help people compulsively and not deal with my own stuff. Just how did it go when you went on the podcast? And did it?

Steph Gaudreau
How’d you feel? It was fine. It was fine. But you know, I think that’s a really interesting point, though, is that distraction can, like, I don’t know anybody who can who’s a human being kind of out in the world. I mean, maybe if you’re a religious spiritual person, person, that’s your, your calling, right? That’s what you do to be a little bit but I mean, we have to interact with the rest of the world at some point. So I think, to be darn right to be in your feelings. 24 seven, it’s just not realistic for most people, right? Especially if you’re new to this sort of work. So I’m, it’s fine to distract. But you know, when if it’s only ever distraction and it’s never sitting becoming aware of center etc like your head again, we come back to this middle ground like how boring are we But

Michelle Shapiro
no, I think what you’re saying is extremely, extremely important. And there is also a place like you said for distraction to, to really sit with discomfort all the time. Also, you could be re traumatizing yourself that doesn’t put you in a great position either. You want to kind of do the minimal viable amount of discomfort that you can tolerate without, you know, really being re traumatized or uncomfortable and then you want to soothe yourself and move away from it. But the is this world is a big candy store of distraction. Some of the distractions aren’t positive either. Like again, I said, I like I could work 90 hours a week and I did for many years and it severely impacted me but that’s like my distraction is like how Oh, I can help someone that’s better than me thinking about things that I have to do. I can help someone here you know, that’s, that’s more that’s my candy is like, oh, maybe I could make someone else feel really good. And I actually have like an issue where I I can’t go to doctors offices and therapy offices and not flip it on them. Like in the middle of this in the middle of the appointment or session, I’ll just start like, hearing about somehow, like in the middle, I’ll catch myself like, why am I hearing about their kids? Like diet? Like, why am I hearing about this person? Like, this is the wrong but you know, that’s my way of deflecting. So distraction doesn’t only mean like picking up your phone and playing Candy Crush, or which by the way, they gave an unlimited week last week, and I was like, these people are showing up in the quarantine. Wow. But it could mean you know, just sitting with nothingness is really powerfully impactful. Yeah.

Steph Gaudreau
Absolutely. Yeah. And I have always caveat I’m like, like, if, if you have an issue with some kind of substance or something that like, and like, I’m not advocating that you do that thing. Or do it more like me not right. I would call it wholesome like wholesome distractions. Whatever that means to somebody, I don’t know. But there’s there’s a whole world of things out there that you can explore. Um, absolutely. So I appreciate you mentioning that.

Michelle Shapiro
Well, I’d also say like if you feel like again, like that is your only tool, then it’s time to reach out for help, which would be my neck. I guess. Overall, how do you actually listen to yourself as you get someone who listens to you to bounce your own ideas off of you, sometimes that really, really works too. So check in with yourself so deeply and so honestly, without judgment without ego without anything and just really get to know where you’re at and and in doing that, you will know if you need additional help or if you are the help you need. But that’s, I guess the next thing is when you need help reach out for it for sure. Absolutely.

Steph Gaudreau
Well, unbelievably. We have come to the end of 30 minutes. Crazy because we had, keep talking about so many things, but I think that’s good because that means that you come back at some point and we can take a dive into into another topic of some sort and it’ll be equally as twisty turny and multifaceted.

Michelle Shapiro
I cannot freakin wait. Yeah. Can I leave people with one? message? Sure. If you really want to make a health change, just know that whatever the health change you want to make is in some way. absolutely possible. It might not look exactly like you want to. But don’t let either people who put you in a box of, you know being, you know far too far beyond help or in a position where no help can be given to you. Don’t let those messages on either side of the functional nutrition or the haze can impact you to where you feel helpless. I promise you. There’s always something you can do to feel better and maracas. Dealing with someone like staph with someone like me is absolutely possible. And we are not the only healers in the world. But I promise that if you feel in that moment, like something is possible it is.

Steph Gaudreau
I love it. And that’s such an important message of hope in times like these, not all the time, really. But especially in times like this. I think that that’s really leaving it on a very expansive note. And I know that that’s going to bring on some level to somebody listening to this show, and I hope many people it will give them the encouragement, the you know, they’ll feel I know people are going to feel seen by what you just said. And I think that that’s all so very powerful.

Michelle Shapiro
Good. That’s the point we will be seen. That’s it.

Steph Gaudreau
Exactly. Absolutely. All right. So you have a couple of things going on in the pipeline soon. I would love for you to share with people where they can get in on more of your goodness Whether that’s one on one client work whether that’s the new course that you’re gonna have coming out your amazing Instagram posts like where can people get in on all the good stuff Michelle?

Michelle Shapiro
Thanks, Steph, um, by the way, I just can’t I thank you from the bottom of my heart for just been a delight connecting with you in general but connected today is just so fabulous and I’m so grateful to be on your amazing podcast and in your network and friendship and everything. So thank you so much. So I am on Instagram. I’m really easy to find because my name is the same everywhere and Michelle Shapiro rd. My website isn’t just pure rd calm. My email address is Joshua I am really excited I have been working one on one with clients for many years. I am continuing to work with clients I do have limited availability to do that. And but I am I do have a couple of spots open to work with clients one on one and I’m really excited to talk about the new online program I have in the past launched and been really excited about my online program quiet the diet. That’s really for people who again really want this middle ground where they want to lose weight, but they want to do it in a way that’s really weight inclusive and feels really natural to them and using principles of functional nutrition. I love Quite The Diet. I’m not sure when I’m launching it again. It’s an amazing program. But what I’m extra double, triple excited to talk about is my new program that I’m launching with my one of my best friends one of the best probably the best practitioner I’ve ever known. Dr. Robert Cacioppo, our new program anxiety proof is for people who have suffered for a long time with anxiety, stress, panic attacks. Actually, this program is extra special to me because the way that I healed Like I said before, from my panic disorder was initially going to Dr. Cacioppo seven years ago, maybe six years ago and during our initial session decided you are not only My doctor, you are now my best friend and we are going to build a business together. So this is our kind of baby that we built together we fully believe that any person can fully heal from anxiety or panic attacks. I don’t care if you’re having panic attacks 10 times a day like I was, we believe it’s fully possible to heal completely. And this is basically the whole loose, holistic solution to stress and anxiety. So the website is, we are launching very soon and it is the most comprehensive and holistic program, I think, to anxiety that you’ll find online that takes not only both of our years of expertise in helping people heal from anxiety but also both of our personal journeys are really incorporated into this and the exact tools that we use to heal our anxiety. So that, the name of the program is anxiety proof and I’m really freaking excited about it. Especially because I’m working With the greatest practitioner I’ve ever known. So I’m really, really excited.

Steph Gaudreau
That’s awesome. What a gift to your community. And it’s going to be great for people to have that resource. We will link all of that stuff up in the show notes so that people can either go right to the URL now or if you’re listening through the website, you can just go ahead and click on those links and dive into all the goodness. Thank you so much for being on the show. Michelle, you are amazing. I truly appreciate you showing up to serve and leading in the way that you do and it’s just, it’s so great.

Michelle Shapiro
So great. Thank you so so much stuff, and I will continue to fight people over Instagram. Continue to be extremely aggressive for literally no reason. No, I’m kidding. I will continue to fight when you’re too tired to fight. I’ll fight when I’m too tired to fight. You’ll fight. How’s that? You know? Deal.

Steph Gaudreau
Alright, seal deal.

Michelle Shapiro
The deal is sealed. Thank you so much, Steph. Thank you.

Steph Gaudreau
All right. There you go. That’s a wrap on this episode with Michelle Shapiro, thank you so much for being with us here today. And of course, if you want the Show Notes for this episode, including a full transcript, and places that you can connect with Michelle, you’re going to want to navigate your little took us over to Steph And there you’ll find that episode, please also make sure if you like this show you tell us on social media share about this episode tag the both of us. And if you have a moment, hit subscribe on your podcast app. And leave us a little note over on iTunes. If you’re an apple podcasts are an iTunes user and you’re over there. frequently. Drop us a line. Let us know what you thought about this episode. We would love to see it. Alright, until next week, when I will be back with another incredible episode. This one coming up is by the way all about stress. I know we can all use this. So you’re gonna want to stay tuned for next week’s episode. It’s a really, really great one and you’re going to learning some practical tips along with all of the concepts. Alright, stay tuned for that and until then, be well!

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