How Racial Identity Can Impact Your Relationship With Food w/ SharRon Jamison

Learning how to put yourself in someone else’s shoes is critical for understanding the political, pathological, and personal ways in which Black women and Women of Color experience their relationship to food.

The truth is, food affects people differently, especially when it comes to their racial identity, and it is only by shedding the societal ‘should’s’ and outdated believes that we can soar higher.

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Key Takeaways

If You Want To Better Understand Why Food Is Political, Pathological, and Personal You Should:

  1. Hold space for the anger of Black Women and Women of Color
  2. Stand with Black Women and Women of Color in solidarity
  3. Do not shrink into shame but instead shine in power
  4. Ask how best you can support Black Women and Women of Color
  5. Become committed to the sisterhood and stop living from a scarcity mindset
  6. Understand the lasting effects of food insecurity and racism
  7. Create space for people to work through their pain without trying to rescue them
  8. Embrace the incredible journey of discovering your own soul
  9. Let go of the beliefs that undermine your gifts and strengths

Putting Yourself in Someone Else’s Shoes with SharRon Jamison

SharRon Jamison is a teacher, leader, minister, author, entrepreneur, and life strategist who is passionate about helping others be who they were born to be instead of settling for what society has told them to be. Through her own experience with racial injustice, eating disorders, and the patriarchy, SharRon breaks down boundaries and exposes inequalities so that women can come together and heal as a community.

Down With the Patriarchy

The patriarchy that we have been socialized into thrives by pitting women against each other and forcing a scarcity mindset. We are told not to trust other women and to compete with them as if there is only room for one of us at the top. While there is evidence of a light being turned on in America, we are still at the beginning stages of this illumination.

SharRon sees the first step to dismantling the patriarchy as white women coming together and standing with Black Women and Women of Color. Next, we need to embrace our ability to not shrink in shame but rather to shine in our power. Thirdly, white cis-gendered people need to be vocal about asking marginalized communities how they can provide support. Finally, by being committed to the sisterhood, we can spread the education necessary to stop wounding people of color.

Racism, Food, and the Diet Industry

Food is political, can be pathological, and is very personal. Many things may impact your ability to be healthy that are not directly in your control. This plays into the patriarchal system by keeping those oppressed and giving them very little opportunity to rise up from that oppression.

The BUGS (beliefs that undermine your strengths and gifts) that society has told you to believe are true are keeping people suffering. SharRon wants you to remember who you were before society told you that you were not enough, and work to help others without the same privileges to stop being ignored by this broken system. Equip yourself with the tools, remember who you are, and advocate for other people so that we can step into the illumination that so many desperately need to see.

Have you ever connected the dots between systematic oppression, patriarchy, diet culture, and racism? Share how you are working to heal the ‘sister wound’ through sisterhood in the comments below.

In This Episode

  • The four steps that you can take to come together with other women and heal the collective wounds of the patriarchy (9:03)
  • Personal ways that being a Black woman has altered SharRon’s relationship with food (15:29)
  • Why food carries different political, pathological, and personal weight for women of color (18:32)
  • How your racial background and socioeconomic status can impact your health and wellbeing (24:01)
  • The importance of decolonizing your thinking and connecting your history to your density (28:15)

Quotes

“We are being used as puppets to wound each other. And when we are aware of what is happening, we will stop wounding each other and start winning with each other and change the entire status quo.” (8:05)

“Just like a fish does not know they are swimming in water, sometimes we do not know that we are swimming in this toxic pool called white supremacy.” (11:32)

“I think that it is really, really important that people see how racism touches every aspect of their lives. So now, a lot of Black Women are not getting help, and anytime you don’t get help, you don’t get hope.” (18:10)

“People are hurting, and it is overlooked because when you are a person of color, you don’t have visibility. Or you are deemed as less valuable. So I feel pain, but I also feel pride. I feel pride because, despite limited resources, people find a way.” (24:42)

“Who were you before society told you who you were? You were amazing before you were socialized to be second class, before racism, before sexism, before ableism. You came to the world amazing, greatness is in your DNA!” (28:47)

Links

SharRon Jamison Website

What Not To Say To Women Of Color by SharRon Jamison

Dare To Be Me Program

Deciding To Soar 2: Unwrapping Your Purpose by SharRon Jamison

Follow SharRon on Facebook | Instagram

How Racial Identity Can Impact Your Relationship With Food w/ SharRon Jamison FULL TRANSCRIPT

Steph Gaudreau
Welcome to Episode 309 of the Listen To Your Body podcast. On this episode tune in well, special guest, SharRon Jamison shares how food is political, pathological, and personal for Black Women and Women of Color. The next evolution of Harder To Kill Radio is here. Welcome to the Listen To Your Body podcast. On this show, we’ll explore the intersection of body, mind, and soul health, and help you reclaim your abilities to eat and move more intuitively, hear your body’s signals, and trust yourself more deeply. I’m Steph Gaudreau, a certified intuitive eating counselor, nutritional therapy practitioner, and strength coach. On this podcast, you can expect to hear expert guest interviews and solo chats that will help you deepen your trust with the food movement and your body. Remember to hit the subscribe button and share this podcast with your friends and loved ones. Now, on to the show.

Steph Gaudreau
Hello, welcome back to the podcast. Thanks so much for spending some time with me. And my special guest today. The incredible SharRon Jamison. SharRon is a teacher, a leader, and a Minister. She’s someone who when she speaks, I pay attention because she always makes me think. And on today’s episode, she’s sharing not only her personal experiences but also really giving us a generous gift and expanding perhaps if you’re not aware how food is really political how food affects people differently, especially according to their racial identity. Just a content warning as well on this show, SharRon is sharing her experience with an eating disorder. If you are someone who finds that very activating, you may want to pause and skip over this show. Before we dive in today, I wanted to share with you a win from my tune in community. This one says with the help of my accountability buddy, I realized what I was resistant to was the strict structure of workout plans, even if it was relatively broad. After this realization, I decided that I would do my best to have some kind of movement every day, but that I would do no planning ahead of time, I would wake up in the morning and figure out if it felt like a yoga day, a hike on the property day chopping wood day or whatever else sounded good to my body. Since that change, it has been much easier and more enjoyable for me to get my movement in each day, and the feeling of lightness and anticipation that comes with allowing myself the choice each morning has been transformative. This is just one of my members and her when in the tune in community. This is a community where we are burning down the diet wagon for good, no more on and off, no more drama, learn how to enjoy food again, how to find pleasure in it, how to enjoy moving your body much like in this wind today. And I would love to extend the invitation to you to join to find out more and get involved with the tune in membership. Head to StephGaudreau.com slash Insider. Hello, SharRon, welcome to the show.

SharRon Jamison
Thank you so much. I’m really excited about being here with you. So thanks so much for the opportunity to let me share.

Steph Gaudreau
Absolutely, I’ve you know, we’ve come to know each other through the We Should All Be Millionaires group, like what we call the club. And it’s been really great to get to know you and you have such a wonderful, expansive spirit and you’re such a leader, you have such a way of telling truth, but from a place of love and compassion and really getting people I guess I would say like, into action. And it’s just really wonderful to be able to connect with you here on the podcast, to introduce my community to you, and to highlight some of the really important messages that you want to share today. So thanks for being here and giving us your time and your energy and sharing your spirit and your purpose with us.

SharRon Jamison
Well, thank you so much. I’m so grateful. I have enjoyed watching you and meeting you in the group. And something that I can say about you you have a sense of calmness and a sense of solidarity and sisterhood that I find refreshing. I think in our culture that really pits Women Against the women, especially women who are different. I really find that you have a sense of sisterhood that makes my heart sing. So thank you so much for seeing me and witnessing me and letting me know and reaffirming that cross-cultural and cross-ratio and cross difference relationships and sisterhood are not only needed, but they’re valued by everybody involved. So I appreciate you. Thank you.

Steph Gaudreau
Yeah, absolutely. He talked a lot recently about the kind of sisterhood and the sister wound. And I’m wondering if you can talk a little bit about that for folks who are listening, particularly, my audience is primarily women or folks who identify as women. When you’re thinking about that. And you’re, you’re talking to groups of people. What do you see as the main challenges that we have in overcoming that sister wound? And what do you actually mean by that?

SharRon Jamison
Sure, great question. When I think about systems, I think about how patriarchy has pitted women against each other. Because if we can get people fighting each other, they won’t combine in unify to bring down and dismantle patriarchy in a way that brings liberation for everyone. So to me, I think patriarchy is trustee strategic. But I believe that, so I believe that we have a calculated system of patriarchy, so we’re fighting against each other. I’m not only a scarcity mindset, but we are socialized into not trusting other women. When I was growing up, women used to say, you know, don’t let anyone you know, don’t let don’t trust another one with your husband are never trusted, another woman, a woman can be trusted. Those are messages that I learned when I was three and four years old. So I grew up with a sense of distrust for other women, instead of being my collaborators to become my competition. And so what happens is, since we are in competition with each other, we wound each other because we want to win we want to be, we feel like there’s only room for one person at the top, we only think there’s enough for one. And when you have a scarcity mindset, and you socialize too big someone is your enemy. Just think about that socialization is scarcity, you put that together, that is a combination, for pain for woundedness. And for perpetuating the system where unity is only something that that’s perfect, but never practiced. So that’s really, really important for us to see that we are, we’re being used as puppets to warn each other. And when we are aware of what’s happening, we will start wounding each other, we will start winning with each other and change the entire status quo.

Steph Gaudreau
Hmm. Even more poignant of a message here was full disclosure, we’re recording this on November 4. So it’s the day after the official election here in the United States. And yeah, it’s, it’s been a wild, interesting ride when you’re thinking about it. So now once we have the veil lifted, or we’re at least starting to see, because so much of this is, at least from my perspective, has been perspective, it’s like, I didn’t see the things that I was participating in, I didn’t see how my own perspectives were from a place of intense privilege, and you know, even regarding things like that I do for work with food. And we’ll probably get into that in a little bit. But once the veil begins to lift, and you start to see things for the way they are, you know, what are some of the ways that you think that women especially can powerfully take a next step toward starting to then come to other and heal some of those, those wounds because we don’t see it? And then we see it and we’re like, oh, my God, what is going on here? And then sometimes you can feel a little bit paralyzed about what to do next, and how we can actually start to heal those wounds. So what, in your opinion is a powerful next step or steps?

SharRon Jamison
Oh, what a great question. What are the challenges I think that happens is that illumination happens in stages. If you think about it, just think about if you were sleeping and somebody comes on and turns on the light, what happens you cover up your eyes light out, that’s what’s happening to America. So now the light is being turned on. Now it’s only been turned on for people who are non-Black because I lived it. I was taught about race when I was two or three years old, just so I could survive. When I was you know kindergarten my teacher hit me in the head with a chair because She thought I was attacking her. When I was in second grade, a group of kids jumped on me and gave me a concussion. Integration was painful. And you know, I’ve had my head split open, I’ve had my kid kicked in the bag, my father has been picked up, who’s a teacher, by white students and body-slammed and detached retina two years ago, my son was beaten up when he was in kindergarten. And I had to take him out of school for a year because he integrated a white Christian school. So I give that to give people an understanding that this was my norm and many other Women of Colors nor so so what happens is, is that when there’s an awakening, a slow awakening, there’s sometimes there’s anger for Black Women. And what I find is that there’s no, I think it’s important that white women hold space for that anger, because we’re not angry at you. We’re angry at the system, and we’re angry at how could you not see our pain when our pain was so obvious to me, and so obvious to us. So I think the first step is just to stand with us. That’s the first step. The second step I think is so important is not to shrink to shame, as you said, become paralyzed because you didn’t do it. Right, we all were brought up in the system. And if you think about it, just like a fish does not know that they’re swimming in water. Sometimes we don’t know that we’re swimming in this toxic pool called white supremacy, you don’t know it. So so we have to stand is like you will have slumming it. But guess what, I was swimming in a tube. And I have internalized racism, I have internalized hatred toward myself, also, so to speak. And so don’t shrink in shame. To know that wow, let us inform you, let us and don’t surrender to it, because it gives up your power. So that’s the second thing stand with this, don’t shrink in shame. The third thing is to find ways that, that you can support in a way that feels like support to the other person. This is what I see now happening, that people are trying to be supportive, but they’re being supportive, based on their understanding of support, not based on my understanding of support. So if you support someone, it’s like, if you love someone, it doesn’t feel like if they don’t experience as love, they don’t feel it, it becomes very performative. But it doesn’t become something that is, is instrumental in healing. So one of the questions that are really important to say, it asks, How can I support you? What is the support need to look like for you at this stage, because the support would need to look different? Someday I put out a book called What Not To Say To Women of Color. And I did that because I find that so many Black Women or Women of Color are getting wounded by white coaches. Because not that the white coaches are saying, Let me woo Women of Color. That’s not it is just a lack of education, right? But it doesn’t matter. If you start a fire accident, it still burns you up, right. And so that’s why I will encourage people to get to download that. And I just did that out of the goodness of my heart. Because I want people to see, listen, let me tell you what you’re saying. And let me tell you what it looks like. Because I find that sometimes people don’t know what’s behind racist behavior, because that they have our ways said stuff not understanding that it was offensive. So I think that’s really important. So those are the three things that I think that we need to do. Now, once down with us, instead of the anger be uncomfortable, because we have always had to be uncomfortable to have dosering to shame because it’s not your fault. Just learn three as what support needs to look like. And also be the fourth be committed to sisterhood. And that means that if you have an opportunity to learn about someone, and to spend time with someone do that it’s hard to hate people up close, right. So if you and I are going out to have dinner with each other and spending time with each other, you can see that we have the same things we all want to be seen, heard and known and loved, and celebrated. And so those are the four things I would say are really critical.

Steph Gaudreau
Thank you so much for sharing that. I think it frames the rest of our discussion really, really nice because we’re going to talk probably about some things here that, again, depending on your perspective and your privileges, you may have never heard about or thought about or it’s not a reality for you personally. And yet, how can we all work together to improve these things, and thank you for generously creating that guide. I downloaded it and I think anyone who is working especially as a coach, a fitness coach, a nutrition coach in the wellness space, I mean, obviously that tends to be who listens to this podcast a little bit from the coaching angle, but definitely go and download that We’ll include a link for that in the show notes to this episode.

SharRon Jamison
Thank you for that I so appreciate that is. And I do believe sometimes if we can get the language right, and get the learning, right, you can get the love. Right. Right. So, so always starts with language. And um, and so I think that’s really, really critical.

Steph Gaudreau
Absolutely. Yeah. You know, when we were kind of chatting a couple of weeks ago about what could be, you know, what can be talked about on this podcast, you shared some really personal experiences, especially relating to food and your relationship to food and being a Black woman, and how that affected you. And I’m wondering if you would share some of that personal story with us. And then some of the things that you also see that women other women in the Black community tend to struggle with when it comes to things like food and how that experience shapes who you are?

SharRon Jamison
Sure Sure, is one of the ways that I numbed to deal with racism. You see how everything is connected. Food was my medication of choice. To give you an idea, when I was 10 years old in a summer I gained 50 pounds in a summer, 50. Now back then, there was no I’m not understanding that bingeing was something that happened in a Black community remember, I was born in the 60s right? So Benji was only something that happened with white women. So here I am, here’s disparity again, right? Here I am, I am dealing with being in a beat-up, bullied, integrating schools, getting stitches, getting a concussion, for became my goal to my source of numbing source of medication. That’s one thing, then since Benji’s was not something that we saw in the Black community. The second point that I did not get support. And then the third part is that you know, there’s a lot of stigma in the Black community about going to a therapist. So what happened is I just ate so I would go in one year, I will be able to size for one year. And so I 16. In the same year, I was swinging, I mean, not little swings and nobody even thought to say, I wonder if something wrong. So what I finally did when I graduate from college, and again, I was probably about 22, up to every size, I have close from four to the size 22. And I had to go to therapists, and I didn’t understand that I had an eating disorder. I didn’t understand that I was numbing with food. I didn’t have language for it, because I’m thinking, you know, believe me, on that happens to white ladies. And so I think that because there’s not a lot of literature to talk about what eating disorder looks like, what eating disorders look like, in Black Women. There’s no at that time, it’s not a lot of literature. Why because we are left out in scientific studies. So I think that’s really really important that people see how racism touches every aspect of their lives. So now a lot of Black Women are not getting help. And anytime you don’t get the help you don’t get hope. And I just ate a bit big and little and big and little and as I was losing weight guess what else was losing I was losing my self-confidence. My self-respect myself determination and because you know when you can’t control your food, you feel worthless. And so I think that’s something that we have to understand that birth I hate the whole entire diet, the diet industry, but for before for Black Women and Women of Color, I wanted people to think of three things one food is political. Why? Because if you grew up in poverty, you don’t have the resources to eat healthily. You eat what’s there what’s their rice, beans, a lot of carbohydrates. We don’t have stores so we have convenience stores we don’t have sprouts and Whole Foods because Whole Foods will take your whole check and if you have you know right and you don’t have a lot of income and we deal with food deserts in the in low-income areas so far because political secondly full because pathological why because we have eating disorders in our communities, but nobody addresses it. And it becomes something that we know it because if you’re dealing with racism every day and white supremacy and colorism and microaggressions and micro invalidation What are you gonna do? I’m gonna come home and eat a piece of cake. But I’m not gonna eat one cake. I’m eating the whole cake. Be so because it becomes my form of medication and it’s cheap. It’s cheaper than drugs. Right? So because pathological and then the third thing for Black Women and Women of Color who becomes personal, because we start to understand that beauty means that we have to lose our body. Right, because we have booties Yeah, we have, we have different body shapes, right. And so that’s where I think people miss that food carries different types of weight. And when food becomes political and personal and pathological, it gets harder to have help. In those, that’s what I want some fitness people to understand. Because I started off as a personal trainer, people don’t know that. I started off as a personal trainer trying to get help for me. And I started off helping Women of Color who had those same issues. And I just grew into different types of culture. But I started there because that was my pain point.

Steph Gaudreau
Thank you for sharing all that. It’s really interesting. Some research has come out recently about things like binge eating, and the link to food insecurity, for example. And on one hand, it probably feels pretty validating, I’m imagining for people who have gone through food insecurity to say, yes, look, the incidence of binge eating and in our communities is higher or in people who have food insecurity. And on the other hand, it almost feels like, why did we need a study to validate this?

SharRon Jamison
Yes. What are the challenges that I have? I’m so glad you said that. It’s like some of the stuff that we always knew that Black people been saying all along, is that what is done by a white study, then it gets credible. Another example, we have known in our culture, that HMI is something that’s healing the drums, something that’s healing, but then, you know, it’s not in the scientific literature, because we don’t write the books the right we don’t get approval to get into books, but then now’s a study about the power of humming we’re like, we knew that my ancestors knew that when they came over from Africa so so that is it. An example of sometimes I think that we appropriate, and we call it new age, but it’s not new ages is indigenous to you know, the natives and the Africans and everybody and everybody has their indigenous stuff, everybody I don’t have you from Italy, Ireland, it doesn’t matter. Everybody has their…has a piece of the puzzle that’s so valuable to the other pieces of the puzzle. But it’s another thing when there studies to be known, but it was right there standing in front of you that nobody asked us, because because because gorging, gorging, happens. As you said, when you feel like, I better eat now, because it might not be any of the food. And that’s what happens a lot, too. You see a lot, a lot of that in places where there’s a lot of people who are on food stamps, you see they go to the store, you see a lot of food and all the food is gone. And one food that should have lasted a month is gone in a week, why? There’s some psychological stuff happening, just like you said, food insecurity. So I’m so glad that you brought that up.

Steph Gaudreau
Yeah, absolutely. Um, I really want to amplify what you said, and just repeat those three things for just political, food can be pathological, and food is very personal. You know, in the wellness space, in the nutrition space, there tends to be a focus on food and exercise is everything. It’s like the most important things. And then when you look at the social determinants of health, for example, your eyes become open to many different things that impact health and well being, many of which are not directly under your control. How do you how does that sort of sit with you as you think about these, these ways that food impacts us and impacts us differently? because of things like our racial background? Because of our did we grew up in poverty, our socio-economic status, those sorts of things? Like, how does that? How does that resonate for you?

SharRon Jamison
Yeah, I have to say, I feel pain and pride. I feel pain because there are so many people who are hurting. And so so many people who need help. And because it’s hard to talk about, that’s hard that’s another thing. It’s hard to talk about because it’s embarrassing. It’s like I can’t control my food. So I feel the pain that there’s so much so people are hurting. And that is overlooked because when you’re a person of color, you don’t have visibility, are you doing this less valuable? So I feel paying but I also feel pride. I feel pride because despite limited resources people may find a way. And what I look at single moms when I look at people who come over from other countries and they exist off of beans and rice, and they say they buy businesses and they send their kids to college and they create a legacy. That suffering that ability to suffer for long term good builds me up with so much pride when I think about my parents. You know, my parents were teenagers when, when they were married and they’re still married over 67 years, we struggled. My parents, they grew up with us, they are 18 years old. And I mean, I’m a second child. And I remember my mother going to nursing school, my father going to my father’s administer, going to Divinity School, having a church working a full-time job, and cleaning up a delicatessen on the weekend. And having us kids, and I remember us having beans and rice and greens, you know, things that could stretch. You know, we buy hamburger meat that was like a day old and cook it, you know, because that was cheaper. So I never saw, I know we were eating bad and gaining weight, not because we wanted to eat bad, there was nothing you had a choice, shelter, our rice. And so I didn’t think about until I was in college, I started eating seafood, healthy grains. Healthy chicken, I was at day-old food because that’s all we can have our that’s what was available at the food bags. So I think I feel a lot of pride that see people struggle and to look at where they are now. So I feel pain, but the overarching villain is pride.

Steph Gaudreau
Thanks for sharing that. When you talked about going to a therapist, to understand your eating disorder. Were there other things that you found to be really important in your own healing in that journey?

SharRon Jamison
Yeah, what is a wonderful question! What I found was helpful was the community. I needed to see other women who look like me having the same problems. When you feel like it’s only you, you live with that additional shame, you feel like an outcast. So I learned the power of community, I was able to learn and dig up the root of the problem, like how did I get here, you know, I was able, I was able to connect my eating disorder with my pain. Because at first I kind of knew, but I didn’t cognitively or intellectually put it together. Because if you can understand you can do something about it. I started to love my body, which is really hard, which is still hard. But even today, when I look at myself, I’m 55 years old, and I love myself, but it took a long time for that. So that was really important. I learned the importance of being a good counselor. Oh, that was so important. I learned how to hold space for people to work through that pain without trying to rescue them. Women will rescuers, right. And I and I will leave that session feeling empowered. And feeling emboldened and feeling renewed versus blocked, somebody built me out. I never I’m not that close that they’re rescued. Because I know that you want to reclaim your power you nobody wants to be rescued. And so that’s what I learned about the coaching experience. And that’s what I try to do and hold space. For my progress. I have a program coming up called I dare to be me. And the first thing we do is that we learn about our history. We learn about our legacy we learned about how did you get here, we learned about how society has molded you because here’s the question Who were you before society told you who you were. And so I let I try to help people understand You were amazing before you were socialized to be second class, before racism before sexism before ableism, you came to the world amazing. You know, greatness is in your DNA. And so I do a lot of work before we start doing anything, we start decolonizing our thinking. And that is really, really important also help keep helping people connect their history. Because if your history is connected to your destiny, so we have to understand how those things are connected and lose what doesn’t work but leverage with us. And when I was growing up, I learned a lot of bad things about me. And I lost that. But I also learned that I was brilliant. I was smart that I was intelligent, that I was creative. But I had to hold on to those things. But I didn’t see my head help. I needed somebody out my new book I said I have a chapter says that sometimes you have to see yourself as somebody else’s eyes. Sometimes people have to believe for you until you can believe for yourself. And that’s what I got. I had people who believed in me and that’s what I do for my clients. And that’s why I keep my group small. I think some coaches want to scale and have these big groups. I don’t ascribe to that. Because when you’re dealing with intimate healing work, everybody, especially for people it’s definitely never been seen in her to know if you deal with that. People who have a culture of feeling invisible, I want them to know I see you. And so I think that’s really, really key.

Steph Gaudreau
Thank you for sharing all those things. I think that that is all incredibly important and, and very generous for you to share and very valuable as people here, no matter what their experiences are, I mean, I feel like living in the world that we do today. I don’t want to say everyone, but I will say probably the vast majority of people have some challenges with their relationship with food and their body. And what I didn’t hear you saying, We’re things like just try harder, because you should be able to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And so I think that that’s all very, very powerful, what you shared.

SharRon Jamison
Well, thank you. I, I don’t tell people to try harder. I tell them to try hearter. Yes, right. Because doing something, doesn’t work. Something can be can weaken you. And that’s what I want people to understand doing more can weaken you. So if you say, That’s why I really get irritated when people talk about just mindset, it’s your mindset, your mindset, well, no, it’s not. I don’t care how you can change your mind. I have a clean mind and some bad racism. You know, so what I change my mindset, equip me with different tools. Help me remember who I am, helped me see myself differently, support me when I’m dealing with corporate trauma. And then I can survive, then I can advocate, advocate for other people. And I’m very involved in the community. I don’t know if you know, but I’m also a minister. And then we talk about what is interesting when people come to the altar to pray stuff, do you know they talk about their jobs, their health. And in filling enough, in most of the women are overweight, you see that there’s a connection there. And so I speak to the connection, I let them see my pictures because sometimes people don’t understand. They don’t believe that you went on the same journey. I’m like, you see me now. I continue to go to therapy because this is what I want people to understand. You don’t graduate from therapy, you might graduate from high school, you might graduate from college, you don’t graduate from self-development, you just don’t graduate. And so I think it’s important for people to understand that as you learn more about yourself, the more you’re going to realize you don’t know about yourself. And so that’s why the most amazing journey is the journey inside of you on the soul. That is the most incredible journey you’ll ever take in your life.

Steph Gaudreau
Yes. Would you tell us about your new book?

SharRon Jamison
Yes. My new book is called Deciding To Soar 2, it is unwrapping your purpose. It is 300 pages long. 70 very short chapters. Right. But what they what I use a lot of old wisdom that I got from my elders, wisdom, like, for example, I used to say, SharRon, don’t connect with people who don’t know what you carry. Which to tell people that make sure that people know that you’re talented, or they used to say stuff like if you stay around people who don’t like you, after a while, you stopped liking yourself. I read his wisdom are they will say sometimes maybe you needed an extra set of eyes to help you rise feedback. Right? So I use their elder wisdom and talk about how the elder wisdom could help us today. It’s because those lessons that you thought, oh, they’re just old people, those lessons. That’s what I thought I have really, really helped me. For example, the last chapter is faith needs to have feet. I’ve never, you know, you know, your faith has feet. I mean, why did we know that. So I use all the things that I’ve learned. And I share my experience, I share some of my client’s experiences. And if you read, you might be able to know who the client was, but they gave me permission and to share our stories because many times our purpose is right there. But we have to heal enough to unwrap it. And some people never really know what they have inside of themselves. Because of their pain. I call it bugs, beliefs that undermine your gifts, and your strengths. And so we got to get the bugs out of the way so people can really soar in that is what I want people to do to do there too. So Higher, higher than your limitations higher than your stereotypes, higher than your trauma and beyond racism beyond sexism. But you can only do that when you know like my grandmother used to say you know that your star baby Don’t forget your star. And so I think when people know that they are the star, they’ll always go for it. So that’s what the book is about. And I’m excited about it and it should be out at the end of the month.

Steph Gaudreau
That’s wonderful. I can’t wait to read it. I learned so much there in just a few minutes of you describing it. I was like yes, I need this book.

Steph Gaudreau
Bugs sick, I’m never gonna forget that. It’s gonna be wonderful. And I can’t wait to read this wisdom that you’re sharing. I think that’s incredibly important. I love you know, you talking about sharing that wisdom from your elders and the things that you’ve learned. I think older people in our society, especially today are not valued for their wisdom and what they have to pass on to us. So thank you for doing that. This has just been so wonderful, I really, really appreciate you being part of this podcast, sharing your personal experience, your professional experience, and your expertise, so that we can all grow and become these, these people who can soar above the limitations that are put on us. So thank you very much for your generosity.

SharRon Jamison
I’m so grateful. Thank you so much for sharing your platform with me. I’m grateful for you. Thank you.

Steph Gaudreau
Yeah, absolutely. Tell us where, where can we find out more about you? Where can we get your book? And how can we connect?

SharRon Jamison
Yes, thank you. Everything is My name is SharRon Jamison, my website, LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, everything is my name. My book should be out at the end of the month, it will be available on my, my website, but also wherever books are sold out. And like I just want somebody to get I don’t care if you get it from me just get it. And the book will also have a companion guide. Because I think sometimes we learn information, but how does that information impact our lives? And so it really challenges people to ask them questions. And then there’s going to be a little prayer. Why because I’m in this place in my life, I want to combine all of me before so long, you know, in the space people like well, you just have to be a coach and our corporate leader or business leader or our minister, I’m all of it. And I want people to, to really celebrate all of who they are because we all have these amazing combinations. And so that has a little prayer there. But it’s but however you don’t have to be Christian. You know, it’s just a prayer that you can call God universe. Whatever you do, I want people to know that I’m praying with them, and on this journey, and then I’m gonna have a podcast starting off Yeah. And January, I will have an opportunity, to invite guests, and I hope you will come and be a guest on my show. And I am scared to death. But I’m so excited to try to do something that feels right for such a time as this. So I mean, hey!

Steph Gaudreau
I think it’s gonna be an incredible addition and a much-needed one to the podcast community especially. I just really excited for you and everything that’s coming up.

SharRon Jamison
Thank you so much.

Steph Gaudreau
Well, thank you for being on the show, SharRon Jamison, you are a star Truly, I super appreciate you and just wishing you all the best with everything.

SharRon Jamison
Thank you so much for your time and Blessings to you.

Steph Gaudreau
All right, that is a wrap on episode 309 with SharRon Jamison. I hope you found this episode as inspiring and enlightening as I did. I’m so very grateful to SharRon for generously sharing her perspectives and her time with us today. So we can learn how to put ourselves in someone else’s shoes and really have empathy and compassion. If you want the show notes for this episode, make sure you head over to StephGaudreau.com make sure you follow SharRon on Instagram and all of her social platforms, you can find those links as well in the show notes. If you missed them, we would love to invite you to do that. And make sure if you are even the slightest, a smidge of curious, you’ll find out more information about my Tune-In Membership. Look, let’s not wait until the new year to decide that your relationship with food and your body needs a little bit of nourishing you deserve that right now. Not in some future time. And we’re here to support you with that with coaching and community and activities that really help you decide what is the most important thing for you and how you can nurture yourself to that improved relationship with food in your body. Find out more at StephGaudreau.com/Insider. Join me again next week I’ll be back with another guest interview and until then, be well.

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